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additionally july 8th 1947.

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the army air force's has announced that

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a flying disc has been found and is now

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in the possession of the army

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i occasionally think how quickly

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vodka

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the vodka brand which has previously

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changed its name as and i'm quoting a

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direct response to russia in russia's

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decals i watched the video myself

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in russia end quote

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are you ready for this the creepy news

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of the day

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skin and and and all of that but they

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are gnarly looking they're this big

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everything in sight and you know what

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they build their webs are not spike

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spider webs are 10 feet long

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absolutely insane the pictures all over

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georgia of these things it's insane

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and uh now is that it is that

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is that it is that the joy yeah look at

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thank you kaz

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stoli is made in lafayette that's for

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madeleine thank you madeline

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all right now here we go the the other

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creepy news of the day

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and i gotta tell you renee is on top of

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her game

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plans to send

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unmanned mine seeking helicopters into

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okay let me let me repeat that

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unmanned

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mine seeking helicopters

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into combat the united states navy is to

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integrate a mine countermeasure system

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onto its fire scout drone a pilotless

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able to detect and localize mines and

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obstacles on land and at sea

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the fire scout program office in

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conjunction with several navy bodies are

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preparing to execute the final phase of

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the single system multi-mission airborne

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mine detection system the copter

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airborne optical sensor suite that will

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have the ability to have real-time

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on-board processing coupled with low

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false alarm rates that will enable the

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war fighter to respond swiftly to

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detected threats

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i gotta say is that a good idea

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holy crap

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there you go kaz yeah that's it that's

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that's that's it right there

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the joro

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spider

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let's get to show crack and happy

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birthday to today

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brian cranston

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65 years old and he's one of the best

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actors in hollywood right now rachel

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wise today is 52

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brandon t

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jackson is 37

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and uh brandon t jackson i know what

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you're saying who is bran

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tropic thunder

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yeah

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that brandon t jackson

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is hilarious wanda sykes today is 57

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and j giles band front man peter wolf

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today is 77

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remember those songs right like

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centerfold

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freeze frame

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yeah peter wolf today 77

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and drummer kenny aronoff today is 70.

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our dead guy's birthday today is serious

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moment of silence for arthur lee

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1945 to 2006 died at the age of 61.

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arthur was a singer-songwriter who rose

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to fame as the leader of the la rock

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band love

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love's 1967 album forever changes was

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inducted into the grammy hall of fame

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and it is part of the national recording

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registry after years of drug abuse and

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problems with the law which also led to

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prison time

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lee moved back to memphis tennessee he

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underwent several months of treatment

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for leukemia including chemotherapy and

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an experimental stem cell uh stem cell

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transplant

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his condition continued to worsen

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and then he died from complications of

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the disease in memphis

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at the age of 61.

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arthur lee happy birthday on this day in

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history

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alexander graham bell patents

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the telephone

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1876 150 years ago

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wow

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fader fact okay here you go do you own a

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ra a ram a dodge ram pickup truck

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do you own a dodge ram pickup truck i'm

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just asking

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all right

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okay because ford f150 isn't on this

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list

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one this is your fader fact

355
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one

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out of 22 people

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who own a dodge ram pickup truck

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have a dui

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one out of 22

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and ramp pickup trucks

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are the most common vehicle involved

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in a dui accident

363
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and that is your fader factor

364
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those are the facts that's a fact

365
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one out of 22.

366
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gotta change our marketing around here

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dodge

368
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we gotta focus that on

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our target audience

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all right tonight we welcome very

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special guests right here on this very

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program

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roderick martin and he is here for the

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first time

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and uh we're going to be discussing well

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the name of his show which is why the

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big secret

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and uh

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and our ufo community there is a lot to

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talk about tonight with roderick so stay

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right there he'll be with us at the

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bottom of the hour tomorrow night

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maureen and saint germain is here two

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new books out with maureen opening the

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akashic records right there

386
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opening the akashic records and beyond

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the flower of life and uh this one is

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updated

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and uh it's uh right there so these

390
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we'll be talking about that tomorrow

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night tomorrow night we are elevating

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wednesday night richard dolan returns to

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talk about our world on edge

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and it is

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that's why this is world inter it world

396
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in transition week

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here on fade to black and thursday

398
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night's another fader night

399
00:21:11,430 --> 00:21:08,960
with open lines

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all night long all right

401
00:21:15,669 --> 00:21:14,240
where am i i'll go get the vodka yeah

402
00:21:16,789 --> 00:21:15,679
one of the sykes

403
00:21:19,510 --> 00:21:16,799
amazing

404
00:21:21,510 --> 00:21:19,520
and uh there's brian cranston you guys

405
00:21:24,630 --> 00:21:21,520
are so quick man it's so quick on

406
00:21:26,230 --> 00:21:24,640
twitter it's just amazing amazing to me

407
00:21:29,110 --> 00:21:26,240
all right let me hit this river moon

408
00:21:29,120 --> 00:21:33,669
um

409
00:21:33,679 --> 00:21:37,830
rivermoonwellness.com

410
00:21:41,669 --> 00:21:39,590
yeah so church where do you get those

411
00:21:45,270 --> 00:21:41,679
pipes well i've always had these pipes

412
00:21:47,669 --> 00:21:45,280
but i keep the pipes healthy

413
00:21:50,630 --> 00:21:47,679
with river moon coffee

414
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um

415
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[Music]

416
00:21:57,110 --> 00:21:55,679
i used to crack jokes

417
00:21:58,549 --> 00:21:57,120
used to crack jokes so church you know

418
00:22:00,310 --> 00:21:58,559
where'd you get the

419
00:22:02,149 --> 00:22:00,320
you know how do you

420
00:22:03,190 --> 00:22:02,159
how do you get the pipes i'm gonna say

421
00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:03,200
man i

422
00:22:07,990 --> 00:22:06,960
i gargle broken glass with vodka every

423
00:22:09,909 --> 00:22:08,000
morning

424
00:22:12,710 --> 00:22:09,919
that was my joke

425
00:22:19,510 --> 00:22:12,720
the truth is

426
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:23,110
rivermoonwellness.com

427
00:22:23,120 --> 00:22:26,710
all right

428
00:22:31,830 --> 00:22:29,270
i don't even know where to start

429
00:22:34,710 --> 00:22:31,840
because my world

430
00:22:37,669 --> 00:22:34,720
my world this world

431
00:22:39,590 --> 00:22:37,679
you know and along with the rest of it

432
00:22:42,870 --> 00:22:39,600
all of it

433
00:22:49,270 --> 00:22:44,230
and

434
00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:49,280
i've got so much stuff going on

435
00:22:52,710 --> 00:22:50,400
and

436
00:22:54,710 --> 00:22:52,720
then we have the rest of the world right

437
00:22:56,710 --> 00:22:54,720
in the united states

438
00:22:58,149 --> 00:22:56,720
and uh i've just got stuff going on i'm

439
00:22:59,830 --> 00:22:58,159
trying to keep up with everything like

440
00:23:02,070 --> 00:22:59,840
uh tonight

441
00:23:03,510 --> 00:23:02,080
tonight i'm testing out another

442
00:23:05,590 --> 00:23:03,520
microphone

443
00:23:06,789 --> 00:23:05,600
uh this one happens to be

444
00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:06,799
uh

445
00:23:19,110 --> 00:23:17,440
that i've had um in the back for a while

446
00:23:21,510 --> 00:23:19,120
i've got uh

447
00:23:23,110 --> 00:23:21,520
i've got over here

448
00:23:24,870 --> 00:23:23,120
okay just just

449
00:23:27,190 --> 00:23:24,880
check this out so

450
00:23:30,070 --> 00:23:27,200
three more mics that i've gone through

451
00:23:33,029 --> 00:23:30,080
right the shure

452
00:23:34,950 --> 00:23:33,039
the uh the pro caster

453
00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:34,960
by road

454
00:23:41,110 --> 00:23:38,880
and then the tascam tm70 which i love

455
00:23:43,909 --> 00:23:41,120
this mic too i love them all

456
00:23:46,070 --> 00:23:43,919
and this week as promised i've got

457
00:23:47,750 --> 00:23:46,080
another one up here

458
00:23:51,269 --> 00:23:47,760
and you know

459
00:23:53,909 --> 00:23:51,279
the world in transition right and uh so

460
00:23:56,230 --> 00:23:53,919
there's that and i'm gonna i'm gonna do

461
00:23:57,990 --> 00:23:56,240
a video i'm gonna do a shootout of of

462
00:23:59,830 --> 00:23:58,000
all of these mics

463
00:24:03,190 --> 00:23:59,840
and uh i don't know which one i'm

464
00:24:04,549 --> 00:24:03,200
leaning on yet but uh i'm gonna do them

465
00:24:05,909 --> 00:24:04,559
all back to back but that's part of the

466
00:24:07,830 --> 00:24:05,919
transition that's part of the things

467
00:24:09,269 --> 00:24:07,840
that are going on around here

468
00:24:12,390 --> 00:24:09,279
right

469
00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:12,400
and uh and as you as you can see

470
00:24:16,310 --> 00:24:14,400
uh last week i had a bunch of new

471
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:16,320
artwork done

472
00:24:22,149 --> 00:24:19,840
and i've got more coming in and uh so

473
00:24:24,549 --> 00:24:22,159
we've got this you know the changes to

474
00:24:26,789 --> 00:24:24,559
the fade to black imaging

475
00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:26,799
and we've got so many channels and so

476
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:28,559
many things and

477
00:24:31,909 --> 00:24:31,200
and websites and social media and all of

478
00:24:38,149 --> 00:24:31,919
that

479
00:24:40,230 --> 00:24:38,159
so moving in new artwork

480
00:24:41,269 --> 00:24:40,240
moving out the old artwork and if you go

481
00:24:44,070 --> 00:24:41,279
through the

482
00:24:46,710 --> 00:24:44,080
the jimmychurchradio.com website and you

483
00:24:48,149 --> 00:24:46,720
see how much imaging is there it's a lot

484
00:24:50,230 --> 00:24:48,159
of work

485
00:24:54,549 --> 00:24:50,240
and so that is coming in

486
00:24:55,750 --> 00:24:54,559
drew is uh up to his his neck with work

487
00:24:58,789 --> 00:24:55,760
right now

488
00:25:01,590 --> 00:24:58,799
so uh there's that and on top of

489
00:25:04,630 --> 00:25:01,600
everything else that is going on

490
00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:04,640
uh with the imaging and and gear here in

491
00:25:08,630 --> 00:25:06,240
the studio because

492
00:25:10,149 --> 00:25:08,640
uh this isn't the only piece of new gear

493
00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:10,159
in here

494
00:25:14,710 --> 00:25:12,720
and uh so there's all of that going on

495
00:25:16,870 --> 00:25:14,720
um is uh

496
00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:16,880
we've just installed

497
00:25:21,909 --> 00:25:19,360
a new merchant system

498
00:25:23,830 --> 00:25:21,919
over on uh the website for

499
00:25:27,830 --> 00:25:23,840
jimmychurchradio.com

500
00:25:29,269 --> 00:25:27,840
and that is a huge complex

501
00:25:31,590 --> 00:25:29,279
and

502
00:25:34,149 --> 00:25:31,600
one that is not over

503
00:25:36,549 --> 00:25:34,159
uh the first stages of it have have been

504
00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:36,559
installed and are up and running

505
00:25:40,470 --> 00:25:38,159
um and

506
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:40,480
part of this transition

507
00:25:47,350 --> 00:25:43,679
is all of the memberships are going to

508
00:25:49,029 --> 00:25:47,360
be moved over to the new merchant system

509
00:25:50,870 --> 00:25:49,039
if you're brand new to faded black and

510
00:25:52,149 --> 00:25:50,880
you've gone and done it well then that's

511
00:25:54,390 --> 00:25:52,159
no big deal

512
00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:54,400
but if you are on a month to month thing

513
00:25:57,750 --> 00:25:56,960
of your month to month is going to shut

514
00:26:01,269 --> 00:25:57,760
off

515
00:26:03,510 --> 00:26:01,279
and you've got to go back uh cancel

516
00:26:04,710 --> 00:26:03,520
uh turn off any automated payments that

517
00:26:06,230 --> 00:26:04,720
you've got going because they're going

518
00:26:08,230 --> 00:26:06,240
to go to nowhere

519
00:26:11,830 --> 00:26:08,240
and uh come back

520
00:26:13,430 --> 00:26:11,840
and and put in your information and uh

521
00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:13,440
go with the new merchant system so we're

522
00:26:16,630 --> 00:26:14,720
in the middle of that

523
00:26:17,590 --> 00:26:16,640
and then on friday

524
00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:17,600
um

525
00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:19,120
face mask

526
00:26:24,230 --> 00:26:21,600
the mandates here in southern california

527
00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:24,240
were all lifted i walked into the store

528
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:25,919
walked into a store kind of looked

529
00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:28,080
around i said man cashiers

530
00:26:32,950 --> 00:26:30,240
are not wearing face masks

531
00:26:35,430 --> 00:26:32,960
it's kind of weird and and i yelled over

532
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:35,440
to the cashier who i know

533
00:26:39,830 --> 00:26:37,200
said what's up with the face mask they

534
00:26:42,310 --> 00:26:39,840
end it ended an hour ago

535
00:26:45,269 --> 00:26:42,320
and and i looked around no shop nobody's

536
00:26:48,710 --> 00:26:45,279
wearing face mask i took off my face

537
00:26:51,750 --> 00:26:48,720
mask and and i did a lot of i went out

538
00:26:53,350 --> 00:26:51,760
and hung out in public indoors

539
00:26:55,269 --> 00:26:53,360
uh this weekend just because i could

540
00:26:56,789 --> 00:26:55,279
without a face mask so there's that that

541
00:26:59,269 --> 00:26:56,799
transition

542
00:27:00,549 --> 00:26:59,279
and i believe la schools i can't speak

543
00:27:02,789 --> 00:27:00,559
for the rest of california i'm just

544
00:27:04,950 --> 00:27:02,799
talking about southern california

545
00:27:07,909 --> 00:27:04,960
face mass mandates are gone

546
00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:07,919
and i'm sure it's the same way across uh

547
00:27:12,470 --> 00:27:09,600
most of the country right now everything

548
00:27:15,590 --> 00:27:12,480
got lifted the world in transition right

549
00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:15,600
and then we have this war in europe

550
00:27:21,029 --> 00:27:18,000
right now world in transition

551
00:27:23,830 --> 00:27:21,039
you're a russia right now they are just

552
00:27:25,990 --> 00:27:23,840
like what did we do

553
00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:26,000
because of the transition that is going

554
00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:27,760
on over there and then we have our

555
00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:30,159
community

556
00:27:34,149 --> 00:27:31,760
on top of everything else it's just like

557
00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:34,159
a world in transition our community is

558
00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:36,880
now circling back the ufo community now

559
00:27:42,149 --> 00:27:40,080
it's back to its old shenanigans

560
00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:42,159
and uh

561
00:27:48,630 --> 00:27:44,880
this and that and proof and

562
00:27:49,510 --> 00:27:48,640
and what is going on and uaps and ufos

563
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:49,520
and

564
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:51,120
there's new videos that have been

565
00:27:55,830 --> 00:27:53,440
circulated and images and new documents

566
00:27:57,110 --> 00:27:55,840
out and the infighting with that

567
00:27:59,669 --> 00:27:57,120
it's uh

568
00:28:02,149 --> 00:27:59,679
it's it's been insane

569
00:28:03,190 --> 00:28:02,159
to keep up with and then of course chris

570
00:28:05,990 --> 00:28:03,200
mellon

571
00:28:08,870 --> 00:28:06,000
you know he's out there stirring the pot

572
00:28:10,389 --> 00:28:08,880
and and he just busted out a new article

573
00:28:11,430 --> 00:28:10,399
over at the hill

574
00:28:14,149 --> 00:28:11,440
and

575
00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:14,159
it you know just causing

576
00:28:17,590 --> 00:28:15,360
you know it

577
00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:17,600
with everything else that i am trying to

578
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i'm trying to stay focused right i'm

579
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trying to stay focused man i've got so

580
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much going on

581
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:27,200
and everything else is happening at the

582
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same time

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it's a world in transition it's a world

584
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in whirlwind

585
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:35,600
transition and it's all happening so

586
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fast

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i mean

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uh i don't know about you

589
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but uh i've got this nasty habit

590
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of going to bed late and getting up

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early okay i cannot sleep in

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i'm up i'm up at seven i'm up at seven

593
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seven thirty in the morning i go to bed

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at two it's four and a half hours sleep

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five hours sleep and i cannot sleep in

596
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i cannot do it i feel like the world in

597
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transit is gonna blow by me

598
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:06,559
i've gotta i got things to do

599
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there's stuff happening all day long and

600
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i am up

601
00:29:20,470 --> 00:29:17,600
and this is the this is the crazy part

602
00:29:23,909 --> 00:29:20,480
this is the the reason for

603
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uh this rant right now

604
00:29:29,350 --> 00:29:24,840
it's

605
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exciting in a weird way

606
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it's exciting

607
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and my advice to all of you

608
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is

609
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don't rest

610
00:29:47,510 --> 00:29:41,840
right now this world is blasting forward

611
00:29:49,510 --> 00:29:47,520
i mean it is just everything is go time

612
00:29:50,870 --> 00:29:49,520
right now

613
00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:50,880
don't rest

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it's uh

615
00:30:00,470 --> 00:29:56,880
it's it's gonna it's gonna pass you by

616
00:30:02,870 --> 00:30:00,480
it's like that and that is exciting

617
00:30:04,549 --> 00:30:02,880
um with uh the mask mandates being

618
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lifted across the country i looked at

619
00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:06,399
the numbers today

620
00:30:10,230 --> 00:30:08,640
and they're almost non-existent like i

621
00:30:12,389 --> 00:30:10,240
mean they're dropping so fast here in

622
00:30:14,149 --> 00:30:12,399
the united states i can't speak for

623
00:30:15,990 --> 00:30:14,159
other countries it's dropping around the

624
00:30:17,909 --> 00:30:16,000
world there are still some countries out

625
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there where they've got some some

626
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elevated levels but

627
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uh for the most part it's in a complete

628
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rapid nosedive

629
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and

630
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that a world in transition now what are

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we going to do

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once this pandemic is over

633
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that's it

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it's time it's go time and it is

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exciting this is fade to black i am your

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host jimmy church tonight right here

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roderick martin

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all right welcome back fade to black i

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am your host jimmy church

745
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what a great week we have got here on

746
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fade to black and uh tonight roderick

747
00:36:14,870 --> 00:36:12,400
martin is joining us for the first time

748
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:14,880
tomorrow night maureen st jermaine is

749
00:36:19,109 --> 00:36:16,720
back it's time to elevate wednesday

750
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:19,119
night richard dolan returns

751
00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:22,240
to talk about our world on edge thursday

752
00:36:25,990 --> 00:36:24,000
night is another fader night with open

753
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lines all night long tonight it's all

754
00:36:30,950 --> 00:36:29,520
about rodwick uh roderick is joining us

755
00:36:34,630 --> 00:36:30,960
he's one of the new

756
00:36:36,550 --> 00:36:34,640
the new voices of our ufo community

757
00:36:39,430 --> 00:36:36,560
and this evening we're going to discuss

758
00:36:42,390 --> 00:36:39,440
his research his experiences and and how

759
00:36:43,829 --> 00:36:42,400
our community needs to expand to a wider

760
00:36:46,950 --> 00:36:43,839
audience we're going to do all of that

761
00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:46,960
tonight he's a mutual ufo network mufon

762
00:36:51,190 --> 00:36:49,440
texas certified field investigator he

763
00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:51,200
became interested in this field when he

764
00:36:55,829 --> 00:36:53,200
witnessed his first ufo sighting at the

765
00:36:57,510 --> 00:36:55,839
age of 12 in dallas texas since that

766
00:36:59,910 --> 00:36:57,520
first sighting he spent years

767
00:37:02,150 --> 00:36:59,920
researching extraterrestrial activity

768
00:37:04,230 --> 00:37:02,160
which led to his certification in the

769
00:37:06,710 --> 00:37:04,240
field he is the creator and host of the

770
00:37:08,550 --> 00:37:06,720
podcast why the big secret which can be

771
00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:08,560
found on his youtube channel

772
00:37:14,310 --> 00:37:11,280
as well as various podcast outlets and

773
00:37:16,230 --> 00:37:14,320
in may of 2021 extraterrestrial evidence

774
00:37:18,790 --> 00:37:16,240
was selected as a finalist for

775
00:37:20,550 --> 00:37:18,800
clubhouse's inaugural creator first

776
00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:20,560
accelerator program

777
00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:22,560
he maintains one of the largest ufo

778
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clubs on the drop-in audio app boasting

779
00:37:32,470 --> 00:37:29,040
24 000 members he is one of the most

780
00:37:34,069 --> 00:37:32,480
successful shows to come to uh the

781
00:37:36,069 --> 00:37:34,079
accelerator program

782
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:36,079
and he took his fame and parlayed that

783
00:37:41,670 --> 00:37:38,640
into securing a hosting opportunity for

784
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a new discovery plus network ufo themed

785
00:37:44,870 --> 00:37:43,520
show alongside other luminaries in the

786
00:37:47,349 --> 00:37:44,880
ufo field

787
00:37:50,790 --> 00:37:47,359
martin also has an upcoming television

788
00:37:53,670 --> 00:37:50,800
projects on such networks as fox to be

789
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:53,680
and forbidden knowledge tv his website's

790
00:37:58,870 --> 00:37:56,160
right there why the bigsecret.com

791
00:38:00,950 --> 00:37:58,880
and his youtube channel links are over

792
00:38:02,150 --> 00:38:00,960
in social media and over on our website

793
00:38:03,910 --> 00:38:02,160
i would like to welcome the first time

794
00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:03,920
to fade to block roderick martin

795
00:38:07,109 --> 00:38:05,040
roderick

796
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:07,119
good evening how are you man

797
00:38:11,349 --> 00:38:09,599
jimmy jimmy jimmy jimmy i'm doing all

798
00:38:14,230 --> 00:38:11,359
right how about you buddy man i am

799
00:38:15,270 --> 00:38:14,240
fantastic and uh welcome to the program

800
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:15,280
and

801
00:38:21,030 --> 00:38:19,680
roderick you get the first time guest

802
00:38:23,349 --> 00:38:21,040
disclaimer

803
00:38:24,870 --> 00:38:23,359
which is this roderick it's just you and

804
00:38:27,030 --> 00:38:24,880
i sitting on my couch having a

805
00:38:28,710 --> 00:38:27,040
conversation as friends and where that

806
00:38:30,710 --> 00:38:28,720
conversation starts it starts where it

807
00:38:31,589 --> 00:38:30,720
ends it ends but we're gonna end his

808
00:38:33,510 --> 00:38:31,599
friends

809
00:38:35,910 --> 00:38:33,520
there you go you ready

810
00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:35,920
i'm ready now um

811
00:38:43,349 --> 00:38:36,720
we

812
00:38:44,950 --> 00:38:43,359
out at a secret location somewhere on

813
00:38:47,349 --> 00:38:44,960
the east coast we won't get into that

814
00:38:48,150 --> 00:38:47,359
just yet uh we'll save that for another

815
00:38:50,470 --> 00:38:48,160
show

816
00:38:52,150 --> 00:38:50,480
but um it was great hanging out with you

817
00:38:54,390 --> 00:38:52,160
and one of the

818
00:38:56,950 --> 00:38:54,400
uh one of the things i mean you and i

819
00:38:59,589 --> 00:38:56,960
had the opportunity to sit down and and

820
00:39:01,670 --> 00:38:59,599
and talk uh one-on-one

821
00:39:03,910 --> 00:39:01,680
uh a few times over the weekend and

822
00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:03,920
those were long discussions and your

823
00:39:09,109 --> 00:39:06,640
knowledge into the subject is is

824
00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:09,119
impressive i mean you really

825
00:39:13,109 --> 00:39:11,440
uh uh i'm just gonna say it like this

826
00:39:14,790 --> 00:39:13,119
you've really got a grip of what's going

827
00:39:16,710 --> 00:39:14,800
on and

828
00:39:19,109 --> 00:39:16,720
you've got some facts but you've also

829
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:19,119
got your opinions on the subject too as

830
00:39:24,310 --> 00:39:21,119
well and i want to get into all of that

831
00:39:25,510 --> 00:39:24,320
tonight but first can we back up though

832
00:39:27,430 --> 00:39:25,520
and and

833
00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:27,440
and talk about your childhood and the

834
00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:29,520
sighting that happened at the age of 12

835
00:39:34,470 --> 00:39:31,599
let's go before that did you know

836
00:39:36,630 --> 00:39:34,480
anything about ufos or the subject

837
00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:36,640
before your first sighting

838
00:39:39,829 --> 00:39:38,160
no i think you know and that's a great

839
00:39:43,109 --> 00:39:39,839
question and i appreciate you having me

840
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:43,119
on tonight and and really just uh

841
00:39:47,349 --> 00:39:45,359
you know i enjoyed that conversation we

842
00:39:49,430 --> 00:39:47,359
had too i mean you know yes i knew of

843
00:39:51,829 --> 00:39:49,440
you and we uh just knew of your

844
00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:51,839
greatness and and always just said hey

845
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:53,440
someday i'm gonna get to meet the great

846
00:39:58,150 --> 00:39:54,960
ones out there and then had an

847
00:40:01,990 --> 00:39:58,160
opportunity uh to sit down with you at a

848
00:40:03,430 --> 00:40:02,000
a mere mortal fashion and so just uh and

849
00:40:04,870 --> 00:40:03,440
sometimes we're able to do that and get

850
00:40:07,670 --> 00:40:04,880
to know the great ones that way but

851
00:40:10,630 --> 00:40:07,680
anyway um you know

852
00:40:13,109 --> 00:40:10,640
i think before that encounter it's like

853
00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:13,119
anyone else you watch some tv

854
00:40:17,109 --> 00:40:14,880
uh and everything else and for the

855
00:40:19,990 --> 00:40:17,119
audience you know you can take it back

856
00:40:23,510 --> 00:40:20,000
to my childhood so at as of three more

857
00:40:26,790 --> 00:40:23,520
days i'll be 25 times two plus

858
00:40:28,230 --> 00:40:26,800
three no plus two plus two i'm sorry so

859
00:40:30,309 --> 00:40:28,240
they get why they're right there now i'm

860
00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:30,319
figuring it out so by that point we can

861
00:40:34,069 --> 00:40:32,160
know what kind of shows was out back

862
00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:34,079
then you know and so i had an

863
00:40:38,550 --> 00:40:35,280
opportunity

864
00:40:41,190 --> 00:40:38,560
uh to really watch some tv uh in that

865
00:40:44,150 --> 00:40:41,200
neighborhood you know and and but really

866
00:40:47,190 --> 00:40:44,160
didn't take on to what i saw that night

867
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:47,200
is as you know months and years roll by

868
00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:49,680
as i began to realize hey you know what

869
00:40:53,349 --> 00:40:51,359
something special happened that night

870
00:40:55,030 --> 00:40:53,359
and and what did happen

871
00:40:56,550 --> 00:40:55,040
well you know

872
00:40:58,309 --> 00:40:56,560
just like everyone else if you grew up

873
00:41:00,390 --> 00:40:58,319
in the neighborhood that i grew up in

874
00:41:02,950 --> 00:41:00,400
where it's a little different than it is

875
00:41:04,470 --> 00:41:02,960
today you know you know back then

876
00:41:07,510 --> 00:41:04,480
you know you can sit out in the street

877
00:41:09,750 --> 00:41:07,520
light and play and you know and until

878
00:41:12,069 --> 00:41:09,760
mom flashes the porch light and tell you

879
00:41:13,510 --> 00:41:12,079
it's time to come in you know and so

880
00:41:15,829 --> 00:41:13,520
just so happened it was one of those

881
00:41:16,950 --> 00:41:15,839
nights so in order for that to happen

882
00:41:19,109 --> 00:41:16,960
we're talking about it's just about

883
00:41:21,510 --> 00:41:19,119
being area to get dark you know and you

884
00:41:23,349 --> 00:41:21,520
know so you you got the night sky

885
00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:23,359
meeting the stars about to come out and

886
00:41:27,510 --> 00:41:25,440
as i was heading back to the house and

887
00:41:28,950 --> 00:41:27,520
got to the front porch you know kind of

888
00:41:31,270 --> 00:41:28,960
looking back at my friends who could

889
00:41:33,030 --> 00:41:31,280
stay out after the porch light flashes

890
00:41:35,109 --> 00:41:33,040
and and so you got a little jealousy

891
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:35,119
there i had and so i kind of looked up

892
00:41:41,190 --> 00:41:37,440
and i was like that's strange

893
00:41:43,349 --> 00:41:41,200
and there was a white metallic looking

894
00:41:44,950 --> 00:41:43,359
disc object and it was just kind of

895
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:44,960
zigzagging

896
00:41:49,510 --> 00:41:47,280
across the sky so i knew right then this

897
00:41:52,630 --> 00:41:49,520
is not something normal and then right

898
00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:52,640
behind it uh maybe you know some yards

899
00:41:57,510 --> 00:41:54,480
away there was two

900
00:41:59,910 --> 00:41:57,520
jets flying behind it zipping you know

901
00:42:01,670 --> 00:41:59,920
as it moved they moved and and just went

902
00:42:03,750 --> 00:42:01,680
across the sky and this thing and there

903
00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:03,760
was no noise and nothing except i heard

904
00:42:07,750 --> 00:42:05,280
them when they passed

905
00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:07,760
and this was here in dallas and and so

906
00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:09,760
it was it was just about it was dark

907
00:42:13,589 --> 00:42:11,200
cause that's when the flat you know she

908
00:42:15,910 --> 00:42:13,599
flashes those lights but it was right

909
00:42:17,670 --> 00:42:15,920
there and then at that moment i i stared

910
00:42:19,750 --> 00:42:17,680
at their gym and i was like you know

911
00:42:21,270 --> 00:42:19,760
what the hell was that you know or heck

912
00:42:24,230 --> 00:42:21,280
is that i guess if i can say that on

913
00:42:25,829 --> 00:42:24,240
radio but the whole point was that

914
00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:25,839
i grew up in that neighborhood where

915
00:42:29,190 --> 00:42:27,200
this is just not something you're gonna

916
00:42:31,510 --> 00:42:29,200
go talk about you know and you're not

917
00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:31,520
going to go you know and say house or

918
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:33,200
ufo last night you know even a

919
00:42:36,309 --> 00:42:34,560
neighborhood bully is not going to do

920
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:36,319
that and lose the street cred right and

921
00:42:40,069 --> 00:42:37,200
so

922
00:42:42,150 --> 00:42:40,079
it just stayed with me um over the years

923
00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:42,160
as i grew up but then as i began to

924
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:45,280
watch tv shows you got e.t came out at

925
00:42:48,309 --> 00:42:46,400
that point

926
00:42:49,829 --> 00:42:48,319
you know close encounters of the third

927
00:42:51,430 --> 00:42:49,839
kind with

928
00:42:52,390 --> 00:42:51,440
you know you remember that

929
00:42:55,270 --> 00:42:52,400
and

930
00:42:57,670 --> 00:42:55,280
that's when it dawned on me uh in more

931
00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:57,680
of a thorough fashion that what i saw

932
00:43:03,030 --> 00:42:59,760
that i didn't know what it was

933
00:43:04,550 --> 00:43:03,040
i now know what it was it's a ufo and so

934
00:43:06,710 --> 00:43:04,560
that's when i was like

935
00:43:11,109 --> 00:43:06,720
this is real this is real and you

936
00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:11,119
describe it as as a saucer

937
00:43:16,630 --> 00:43:13,760
which which i love that description how

938
00:43:19,030 --> 00:43:16,640
far away was it and did did you have any

939
00:43:20,790 --> 00:43:19,040
idea of of its size

940
00:43:22,870 --> 00:43:20,800
well you know it's funny you asking the

941
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:22,880
investigators questions right right how

942
00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:25,200
many things that we do and i would

943
00:43:30,309 --> 00:43:28,480
probably could say if someone was to

944
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:30,319
hold a quarter or nickel right in front

945
00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:31,920
of them you know you're looking at that

946
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:35,760
size and dimension but i would probably

947
00:43:41,349 --> 00:43:38,160
it had to be it was it was flying low

948
00:43:43,670 --> 00:43:41,359
altitude enough that uh you know i can

949
00:43:46,870 --> 00:43:43,680
hear and see the the two jets

950
00:43:48,790 --> 00:43:46,880
distinctively now it was kind of a blur

951
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:48,800
but yet you can see the object so it

952
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:50,640
wasn't like hey i can see there was a

953
00:43:55,190 --> 00:43:52,880
windows or whether any type of other

954
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:55,200
then it's just zigzagging and it has

955
00:44:00,550 --> 00:43:58,160
this illumination to it you know um so i

956
00:44:02,390 --> 00:44:00,560
will approximately say maybe

957
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:02,400
you know some thousands feet up you know

958
00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:05,520
uh high as uh our downtown skyscrapers

959
00:44:09,270 --> 00:44:07,200
you know so

960
00:44:11,829 --> 00:44:09,280
and so it was probably pretty high

961
00:44:14,230 --> 00:44:11,839
it's uh i would say that's pretty

962
00:44:15,349 --> 00:44:14,240
low yeah yeah okay i would say that's

963
00:44:20,309 --> 00:44:15,359
pretty low

964
00:44:21,829 --> 00:44:20,319
um with um a field investigation today

965
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:21,839
and you bring up a great point that i'm

966
00:44:27,990 --> 00:44:24,480
asking the questions that you would ask

967
00:44:29,510 --> 00:44:28,000
well you are doing that now when you

968
00:44:30,870 --> 00:44:29,520
have somebody

969
00:44:33,510 --> 00:44:30,880
trying to

970
00:44:35,109 --> 00:44:33,520
uh describe what they've seen

971
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:35,119
and knowing

972
00:44:41,030 --> 00:44:38,640
how you are you know fight to

973
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:41,040
to describe your own experience

974
00:44:45,190 --> 00:44:42,960
you have to apply your own experience to

975
00:44:47,589 --> 00:44:45,200
how you investigate right

976
00:44:49,589 --> 00:44:47,599
yeah sometimes you do but then you have

977
00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:49,599
to put on a different lens as an

978
00:44:52,390 --> 00:44:51,359
investigator because

979
00:44:55,829 --> 00:44:52,400
you don't

980
00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:55,839
most people that report a ufo

981
00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:57,599
they have one thing in common and they

982
00:45:02,550 --> 00:45:00,720
need someone to believe in them and

983
00:45:04,230 --> 00:45:02,560
that's a that's a

984
00:45:07,190 --> 00:45:04,240
thing that you have to go in as an

985
00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:07,200
investigator because i believe that ufos

986
00:45:11,270 --> 00:45:09,119
exists and i believe that

987
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:11,280
that we're not alone in this universe i

988
00:45:14,069 --> 00:45:13,280
can't approach the investigation that

989
00:45:17,430 --> 00:45:14,079
way

990
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:17,440
because my outcome is to find out what

991
00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:19,599
was what this person saw

992
00:45:24,309 --> 00:45:21,520
so you know you're gonna find out is the

993
00:45:25,589 --> 00:45:24,319
witness credit credible or not um and

994
00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:25,599
you're gonna ask those questions like

995
00:45:28,950 --> 00:45:27,440
you asked me how far up with it because

996
00:45:30,550 --> 00:45:28,960
at this point i'm gonna check other

997
00:45:32,550 --> 00:45:30,560
avenues to see

998
00:45:34,950 --> 00:45:32,560
could this person possibly have seen

999
00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:34,960
this particular thing at this particular

1000
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:36,960
height at this particular time at this

1001
00:45:40,550 --> 00:45:38,640
particular place right

1002
00:45:42,390 --> 00:45:40,560
so

1003
00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:42,400
when you get down to talking with those

1004
00:45:47,109 --> 00:45:45,520
witnesses again you have to take the hat

1005
00:45:49,190 --> 00:45:47,119
off as a believer

1006
00:45:51,030 --> 00:45:49,200
but you have to go into see what the

1007
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:51,040
facts line up first

1008
00:45:55,589 --> 00:45:54,000
and and what about uh at the age of 12

1009
00:45:57,670 --> 00:45:55,599
did you run in the house and tell your

1010
00:46:00,150 --> 00:45:57,680
parents did you tell your friends at

1011
00:46:04,870 --> 00:46:02,309
you know how did you handle yourself

1012
00:46:05,829 --> 00:46:04,880
well at that time i i had this nickname

1013
00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:05,839
that

1014
00:46:10,710 --> 00:46:07,680
i probably won't mention it enough but i

1015
00:46:12,309 --> 00:46:10,720
guess i could it will make a great story

1016
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:12,319
my grandmother used to have this cuckoo

1017
00:46:16,870 --> 00:46:14,880
clock and when i was even three or four

1018
00:46:19,589 --> 00:46:16,880
years old it used to every hour comes

1019
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:19,599
out go cuckoo so at this point this is

1020
00:46:23,829 --> 00:46:21,680
what i used to stand and do and so as i

1021
00:46:25,829 --> 00:46:23,839
grew up that was a nickname that i had

1022
00:46:28,710 --> 00:46:25,839
cuckoo right or cuckoo bird or whatever

1023
00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:28,720
so the last thing i'm gonna do is go run

1024
00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:32,800
out hey man cuckoo saw a ufo last night

1025
00:46:37,670 --> 00:46:35,200
and you now you're talking insult to

1026
00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:37,680
injury at this point but so i did not

1027
00:46:42,309 --> 00:46:38,480
tell

1028
00:46:44,230 --> 00:46:42,319
anyone uh it was my secret it you know i

1029
00:46:45,349 --> 00:46:44,240
made a mumble it here and there but at

1030
00:46:46,309 --> 00:46:45,359
that time

1031
00:46:56,390 --> 00:46:46,319
you know

1032
00:46:57,430 --> 00:46:56,400
blocks

1033
00:46:59,510 --> 00:46:57,440
and so

1034
00:47:01,270 --> 00:46:59,520
uh to put that in contrast is just there

1035
00:47:03,270 --> 00:47:01,280
was just so much stuff going on in the

1036
00:47:04,790 --> 00:47:03,280
neighborhood uh because it was a bad

1037
00:47:07,109 --> 00:47:04,800
neighborhood before you just started

1038
00:47:11,190 --> 00:47:07,119
trying to bring up ufo as a topic you

1039
00:47:11,990 --> 00:47:11,200
know and uh was the sighting uh did you

1040
00:47:14,069 --> 00:47:12,000
uh

1041
00:47:16,950 --> 00:47:14,079
think about checking out the news was it

1042
00:47:19,750 --> 00:47:16,960
on the news did anybody else see it

1043
00:47:22,790 --> 00:47:19,760
no 12 years old i don't think that i had

1044
00:47:25,349 --> 00:47:22,800
the curiosity that i have today as an

1045
00:47:28,390 --> 00:47:25,359
adult in in this uh it was just more of

1046
00:47:31,349 --> 00:47:28,400
a mystery and wow because at the time

1047
00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:31,359
when it happened i still have not

1048
00:47:35,430 --> 00:47:33,599
you know put a pinpoint in my brain of

1049
00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:35,440
what that was let's go look up and see

1050
00:47:38,790 --> 00:47:37,440
if there's any reports or so my

1051
00:47:41,910 --> 00:47:38,800
investigation

1052
00:47:44,549 --> 00:47:41,920
had hadn't started then you know it

1053
00:47:46,390 --> 00:47:44,559
wasn't until later on in life that i

1054
00:47:48,390 --> 00:47:46,400
realized what i have seen and i still

1055
00:47:50,069 --> 00:47:48,400
remember this vivid as it was you know

1056
00:47:52,950 --> 00:47:50,079
right now happening

1057
00:47:54,950 --> 00:47:52,960
but at that moment it was just something

1058
00:47:57,030 --> 00:47:54,960
that you know strange that happened i

1059
00:47:58,549 --> 00:47:57,040
saw it and i made a whisper to a couple

1060
00:48:01,030 --> 00:47:58,559
of people what happened but i did not

1061
00:48:04,549 --> 00:48:01,040
run in the house said oh my mom you know

1062
00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:04,559
and and my mom was a single parent in in

1063
00:48:07,990 --> 00:48:06,640
you know raising three boys by herself

1064
00:48:11,109 --> 00:48:08,000
so that's not something you're gonna go

1065
00:48:12,230 --> 00:48:11,119
distract her with you know did you start

1066
00:48:16,870 --> 00:48:12,240
uh

1067
00:48:19,910 --> 00:48:16,880
research and investigation you start to

1068
00:48:21,990 --> 00:48:19,920
head to the library and and did your

1069
00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:22,000
interest elevate from there

1070
00:48:26,710 --> 00:48:24,000
my interest elevated

1071
00:48:28,549 --> 00:48:26,720
once i think somebody started watching

1072
00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:28,559
some of the movies

1073
00:48:33,190 --> 00:48:30,880
and that's what brought it into reality

1074
00:48:37,109 --> 00:48:33,200
they wait a minute you know this

1075
00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:37,119
alien thing or this ufo spacecraft thing

1076
00:48:41,750 --> 00:48:40,319
uh wait a minute i saw that you know and

1077
00:48:44,549 --> 00:48:41,760
and at that point

1078
00:48:46,549 --> 00:48:44,559
then the curiosity uh started and then

1079
00:48:48,790 --> 00:48:46,559
at that point just being

1080
00:48:51,190 --> 00:48:48,800
a fan of the subject you know so i would

1081
00:48:53,589 --> 00:48:51,200
read different things i will you know

1082
00:48:54,870 --> 00:48:53,599
maybe you know see a couple of books or

1083
00:48:57,030 --> 00:48:54,880
something that was out there because at

1084
00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:57,040
that time there wasn't a lot of things

1085
00:49:01,829 --> 00:48:59,040
on the internet i wasn't privileged at

1086
00:49:04,069 --> 00:49:01,839
that point uh you know at that age to

1087
00:49:06,390 --> 00:49:04,079
really have access to the internet and

1088
00:49:08,710 --> 00:49:06,400
stuff like that so even at school you

1089
00:49:10,549 --> 00:49:08,720
probably you know and the web was just

1090
00:49:12,150 --> 00:49:10,559
kicking around back in the 90s i think

1091
00:49:15,990 --> 00:49:12,160
this was in the 80s but

1092
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:16,000
so uh in theory it was television that

1093
00:49:21,349 --> 00:49:19,440
connected the dots you know tv did you

1094
00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:21,359
um

1095
00:49:26,790 --> 00:49:24,000
did you try to

1096
00:49:29,109 --> 00:49:26,800
find any ufo conferences

1097
00:49:30,390 --> 00:49:29,119
were you looking at

1098
00:49:32,470 --> 00:49:30,400
you know other

1099
00:49:34,390 --> 00:49:32,480
you know possible researchers out there

1100
00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:34,400
that were were talking about the

1101
00:49:37,589 --> 00:49:36,000
phenomenon

1102
00:49:39,430 --> 00:49:37,599
well i i

1103
00:49:41,589 --> 00:49:39,440
at some of the stores you know i will

1104
00:49:44,630 --> 00:49:41,599
see the ufo magazines there was two

1105
00:49:46,950 --> 00:49:44,640
types there was a regular back that time

1106
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:46,960
i think it was ufo magazine yeah ufo

1107
00:49:51,990 --> 00:49:49,359
magazine sure yeah and so

1108
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:52,000
uh i would see those and you know in in

1109
00:49:54,950 --> 00:49:53,440
best as i could i would kind of like

1110
00:49:57,109 --> 00:49:54,960
skim through them

1111
00:49:59,190 --> 00:49:57,119
because again i wasn't able to afford to

1112
00:50:01,430 --> 00:49:59,200
buy them you know i think back then was

1113
00:50:03,270 --> 00:50:01,440
a milestone three two three dollars a

1114
00:50:05,270 --> 00:50:03,280
dollar fifty i don't know but you know

1115
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:05,280
growing up as a kid it was just not you

1116
00:50:10,309 --> 00:50:07,680
know money that you had we didn't

1117
00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:10,319
and but then i was also right next to

1118
00:50:16,230 --> 00:50:12,960
those was the comic books

1119
00:50:18,790 --> 00:50:16,240
ufos and so now you you have to

1120
00:50:19,990 --> 00:50:18,800
as a kid you you like comic books i've

1121
00:50:21,829 --> 00:50:20,000
always have

1122
00:50:23,829 --> 00:50:21,839
you see the stories but you you know

1123
00:50:26,870 --> 00:50:23,839
distinctively no comic books are not

1124
00:50:29,190 --> 00:50:26,880
real these are you know cartoons people

1125
00:50:31,190 --> 00:50:29,200
just creating stories right next to that

1126
00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:31,200
you've got a ufo magazine so you have to

1127
00:50:34,710 --> 00:50:33,119
sit there and say wait a minute here's a

1128
00:50:37,109 --> 00:50:34,720
magazine talking about something that's

1129
00:50:38,230 --> 00:50:37,119
real but then this comic book is not

1130
00:50:39,829 --> 00:50:38,240
real

1131
00:50:42,069 --> 00:50:39,839
that will play with you for a while

1132
00:50:44,069 --> 00:50:42,079
though think about wait a minute this is

1133
00:50:45,670 --> 00:50:44,079
you know how what which side did you go

1134
00:50:48,870 --> 00:50:45,680
do you go left or do you go right with

1135
00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:48,880
this ultimately i went left uh because i

1136
00:50:53,670 --> 00:50:51,599
believe what i saw uh and then start

1137
00:50:56,950 --> 00:50:53,680
looking more into what those magazines

1138
00:50:59,670 --> 00:50:56,960
have to offer information now today uh

1139
00:51:02,710 --> 00:50:59,680
you're a radio and television host uh

1140
00:51:04,870 --> 00:51:02,720
again uh you're you're a bonafide fresh

1141
00:51:08,790 --> 00:51:04,880
new voice for this community

1142
00:51:11,670 --> 00:51:08,800
um but it doesn't start there what was

1143
00:51:14,870 --> 00:51:11,680
the transition of you because you've

1144
00:51:17,270 --> 00:51:14,880
been with mufon for what uh 12 years

1145
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:17,280
what's that a couple of years really oh

1146
00:51:20,069 --> 00:51:19,200
okay i thought it was longer when did

1147
00:51:22,549 --> 00:51:20,079
you

1148
00:51:24,870 --> 00:51:22,559
i joined as a member longer i was paying

1149
00:51:26,790 --> 00:51:24,880
that monthly for about eight 19 years so

1150
00:51:28,309 --> 00:51:26,800
you get access to their information

1151
00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:28,319
right and ultimate i became an

1152
00:51:33,510 --> 00:51:30,480
investigator okay so

1153
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:33,520
how did you find mufon and why

1154
00:51:39,190 --> 00:51:36,960
why would you seek out mufon

1155
00:51:41,990 --> 00:51:39,200
well you know there's a story behind it

1156
00:51:44,230 --> 00:51:42,000
you know maybe i can share the whole

1157
00:51:45,829 --> 00:51:44,240
side of this thing and it may motivate

1158
00:51:47,990 --> 00:51:45,839
other people that's listening you know

1159
00:51:50,549 --> 00:51:48,000
the audience as well but

1160
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:50,559
you know i was like everyone else you

1161
00:51:55,109 --> 00:51:52,800
you watch hanger one

1162
00:51:57,349 --> 00:51:55,119
you watch all of these shows and and

1163
00:51:59,510 --> 00:51:57,359
then you see the guys that you know got

1164
00:52:01,670 --> 00:51:59,520
to move on shirts you know they you know

1165
00:52:03,349 --> 00:52:01,680
they're talking about this ufo thing and

1166
00:52:05,670 --> 00:52:03,359
and i'm like man that's just incredible

1167
00:52:07,750 --> 00:52:05,680
people you know i'm already interested

1168
00:52:09,990 --> 00:52:07,760
in it i'm read all the different stuff i

1169
00:52:12,309 --> 00:52:10,000
know now at this time as a full-grown

1170
00:52:13,109 --> 00:52:12,319
man you know i've done done my research

1171
00:52:15,990 --> 00:52:13,119
right

1172
00:52:17,910 --> 00:52:16,000
and so i'm in this thing but i'm not in

1173
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:17,920
the game you know but i'm like you know

1174
00:52:22,470 --> 00:52:20,160
what you know i want to

1175
00:52:24,470 --> 00:52:22,480
really get in this thing and so as i

1176
00:52:27,510 --> 00:52:24,480
watched all the tv shows

1177
00:52:29,030 --> 00:52:27,520
ancient aliens and the list just goes on

1178
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:29,040
and on and on

1179
00:52:34,790 --> 00:52:32,400
and ultimately one day um i was talking

1180
00:52:37,510 --> 00:52:34,800
to my then wife

1181
00:52:39,430 --> 00:52:37,520
my young wife and and and i mentioned it

1182
00:52:41,910 --> 00:52:39,440
to her i said you know

1183
00:52:43,510 --> 00:52:41,920
i really want to go deeper into this i

1184
00:52:46,630 --> 00:52:43,520
really want to

1185
00:52:48,790 --> 00:52:46,640
um really bring some uh a different

1186
00:52:51,030 --> 00:52:48,800
culture and lens to this thing i want to

1187
00:52:53,750 --> 00:52:51,040
look at this thing a little deeper

1188
00:52:56,150 --> 00:52:53,760
and she laughed and you know and i had a

1189
00:52:58,630 --> 00:52:56,160
funny wife so i thought i had a joke

1190
00:53:01,829 --> 00:52:58,640
but she was laughing to say hey yeah

1191
00:53:05,349 --> 00:53:01,839
right you're crazy right and so

1192
00:53:07,430 --> 00:53:05,359
that craziness became a um

1193
00:53:09,829 --> 00:53:07,440
an eternal argument in the house because

1194
00:53:12,390 --> 00:53:09,839
this is beginning to be a dream that i

1195
00:53:14,790 --> 00:53:12,400
wanted because i start seeing you know

1196
00:53:17,430 --> 00:53:14,800
the move fund and then i

1197
00:53:19,990 --> 00:53:17,440
later on found out that mufon had a

1198
00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:20,000
dallas chapter so this made this even

1199
00:53:23,270 --> 00:53:22,000
more intriguing now i'm real close to

1200
00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:23,280
this thing right

1201
00:53:26,150 --> 00:53:24,480
and so

1202
00:53:28,549 --> 00:53:26,160
um i was on facebook and you know

1203
00:53:30,230 --> 00:53:28,559
facebook got this retargeting thing and

1204
00:53:32,470 --> 00:53:30,240
i'm sure i must have went to the website

1205
00:53:33,589 --> 00:53:32,480
or something and mufon popped up across

1206
00:53:36,470 --> 00:53:33,599
my screen

1207
00:53:38,470 --> 00:53:36,480
once one one weekend and and it said oh

1208
00:53:39,990 --> 00:53:38,480
in three weeks we're having a chapter

1209
00:53:44,150 --> 00:53:40,000
meeting

1210
00:53:46,710 --> 00:53:44,160
i was ecstatic i was like heck yes you

1211
00:53:48,549 --> 00:53:46,720
know this is it this is my moment i'm

1212
00:53:50,630 --> 00:53:48,559
gonna do this thing well i'm just gonna

1213
00:53:52,950 --> 00:53:50,640
go out and meet some people because of

1214
00:53:55,510 --> 00:53:52,960
course we can get into this later i'm in

1215
00:53:58,069 --> 00:53:55,520
my friendship in my community we're not

1216
00:53:59,990 --> 00:53:58,079
talking about ufos so i'm already

1217
00:54:01,190 --> 00:54:00,000
sitting alone in a cuckoo tree right

1218
00:54:03,750 --> 00:54:01,200
right so

1219
00:54:05,910 --> 00:54:03,760
and so i'm like i got this jimmy i got

1220
00:54:08,710 --> 00:54:05,920
it i'm gonna go out and i'm gonna talk

1221
00:54:11,750 --> 00:54:08,720
ufo to some people

1222
00:54:13,589 --> 00:54:11,760
and i told my wife and i said hey babe i

1223
00:54:15,349 --> 00:54:13,599
got it i want to do this i want to go

1224
00:54:18,309 --> 00:54:15,359
out and talk to some people

1225
00:54:20,710 --> 00:54:18,319
and maybe see about joining the crew

1226
00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:20,720
becoming an investigator and you know

1227
00:54:25,030 --> 00:54:23,040
all these things and

1228
00:54:26,309 --> 00:54:25,040
you know i thought you know

1229
00:54:27,990 --> 00:54:26,319
you know i

1230
00:54:29,829 --> 00:54:28,000
sent the message to my wife this is what

1231
00:54:32,470 --> 00:54:29,839
i want to do and so

1232
00:54:34,870 --> 00:54:32,480
a few weeks later you know my car broke

1233
00:54:37,510 --> 00:54:34,880
down so we had two cars and so now i'm

1234
00:54:40,069 --> 00:54:37,520
relying upon the one vehicle but the

1235
00:54:43,510 --> 00:54:40,079
appointment is still set for me to go

1236
00:54:45,430 --> 00:54:43,520
and that sunday uh came and

1237
00:54:47,670 --> 00:54:45,440
you know i was excited the night before

1238
00:54:49,510 --> 00:54:47,680
and she knew it and and she called and

1239
00:54:50,549 --> 00:54:49,520
when i expected her to come back and i

1240
00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:50,559
said hey what time you're going to get

1241
00:54:54,789 --> 00:54:52,480
here i'm ready to go it's already

1242
00:54:57,670 --> 00:54:54,799
started but i'm gonna be a hour late but

1243
00:54:59,829 --> 00:54:57,680
i'm gonna meet some people and i started

1244
00:55:01,750 --> 00:54:59,839
hearing a little you know like you know

1245
00:55:03,030 --> 00:55:01,760
i don't even hear this but little clinks

1246
00:55:05,270 --> 00:55:03,040
and clacks i'm like what the heck was

1247
00:55:07,829 --> 00:55:05,280
that oh man my sister we went out to

1248
00:55:09,829 --> 00:55:07,839
dinner i mean lunch and i'm like oh you

1249
00:55:12,069 --> 00:55:09,839
know now i got scooby doo look like

1250
00:55:14,069 --> 00:55:12,079
wait a minute you know i'm ready to go

1251
00:55:15,829 --> 00:55:14,079
to this mufa thing

1252
00:55:18,710 --> 00:55:15,839
she didn't come home

1253
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:18,720
and uh our issues had issues

1254
00:55:22,710 --> 00:55:20,640
but this one was an issue

1255
00:55:25,349 --> 00:55:22,720
and so i said well hey wait a minute

1256
00:55:28,069 --> 00:55:25,359
this is now we're barking down a dream

1257
00:55:30,549 --> 00:55:28,079
am i something that i wanted to do and i

1258
00:55:32,150 --> 00:55:30,559
know i can do this and i want to do this

1259
00:55:33,829 --> 00:55:32,160
and she simply said no i don't want you

1260
00:55:34,710 --> 00:55:33,839
to do that i don't want you around that

1261
00:55:37,510 --> 00:55:34,720
stuff

1262
00:55:39,990 --> 00:55:37,520
and blah blah blah so

1263
00:55:43,030 --> 00:55:40,000
um you know as anything else as a man

1264
00:55:45,270 --> 00:55:43,040
jimmy you you you start really thinking

1265
00:55:47,109 --> 00:55:45,280
you know you know about this kryptonite

1266
00:55:48,789 --> 00:55:47,119
of the superman who i am and i decided

1267
00:55:51,190 --> 00:55:48,799
to be a good husband and i was going to

1268
00:55:53,430 --> 00:55:51,200
lay down the sword and say you know what

1269
00:55:54,230 --> 00:55:53,440
this is bothering my wife i'm not going

1270
00:55:56,390 --> 00:55:54,240
to

1271
00:55:58,870 --> 00:55:56,400
pursue this because obviously this is

1272
00:56:01,030 --> 00:55:58,880
deeper and we'll get into this later

1273
00:56:02,470 --> 00:56:01,040
this is deeper than her just not liking

1274
00:56:04,470 --> 00:56:02,480
it because i need to figure out why is

1275
00:56:07,430 --> 00:56:04,480
she having this pushback

1276
00:56:10,069 --> 00:56:07,440
about this ufo thing you know and and at

1277
00:56:12,309 --> 00:56:10,079
the time now that we're divorced now

1278
00:56:14,069 --> 00:56:12,319
that i'm better at understanding

1279
00:56:17,430 --> 00:56:14,079
cultural lens and that based on

1280
00:56:19,670 --> 00:56:17,440
anybody's experiences i now understand

1281
00:56:21,430 --> 00:56:19,680
but then it was war because i felt hit

1282
00:56:22,710 --> 00:56:21,440
this is somebody not let me do what i

1283
00:56:24,710 --> 00:56:22,720
want to do

1284
00:56:26,470 --> 00:56:24,720
and now we we have an argument in the

1285
00:56:28,230 --> 00:56:26,480
house and so

1286
00:56:29,109 --> 00:56:28,240
um ultimately

1287
00:56:31,589 --> 00:56:29,119
we

1288
00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:31,599
she won that day because i didn't go

1289
00:56:35,349 --> 00:56:33,040
and so

1290
00:56:37,910 --> 00:56:35,359
um but about three months later we was

1291
00:56:39,349 --> 00:56:37,920
separated and at that moment i decided

1292
00:56:41,030 --> 00:56:39,359
one day yes someone would go ahead and

1293
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:41,040
take the exam

1294
00:56:45,190 --> 00:56:43,440
and i ultimately went and became

1295
00:56:47,430 --> 00:56:45,200
certified and went through all of

1296
00:56:49,589 --> 00:56:47,440
mufon's criteria to become an

1297
00:56:51,030 --> 00:56:49,599
investigator and then later you get your

1298
00:56:54,309 --> 00:56:51,040
certification

1299
00:56:56,789 --> 00:56:54,319
and the rest was history and and i have

1300
00:56:59,109 --> 00:56:56,799
a lot of stories behind that yeah let me

1301
00:57:02,870 --> 00:56:59,119
let me ask you this um

1302
00:57:04,470 --> 00:57:02,880
as a as a newly minted single man right

1303
00:57:06,870 --> 00:57:04,480
okay so you got

1304
00:57:09,430 --> 00:57:06,880
roof yeah yeah you got some you got some

1305
00:57:10,829 --> 00:57:09,440
freedoms and were you just like well

1306
00:57:14,230 --> 00:57:10,839
wait a minute

1307
00:57:17,670 --> 00:57:14,240
uh i can go to this meeting now

1308
00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:17,680
and and you did did you just like uh

1309
00:57:22,069 --> 00:57:19,920
what was that drive like you know to

1310
00:57:23,829 --> 00:57:22,079
your first mufon meeting

1311
00:57:25,349 --> 00:57:23,839
well you know

1312
00:57:28,309 --> 00:57:25,359
here's the deal

1313
00:57:31,270 --> 00:57:28,319
you know you don't think about that part

1314
00:57:33,670 --> 00:57:31,280
yet but yes it did arrive uh you know

1315
00:57:36,309 --> 00:57:33,680
you're single you can do what you want

1316
00:57:37,109 --> 00:57:36,319
i'm still angry you know i'm still angry

1317
00:57:40,309 --> 00:57:37,119
of

1318
00:57:42,789 --> 00:57:40,319
you know why is this this pushback why

1319
00:57:44,309 --> 00:57:42,799
can i not do what i wanted to do now i

1320
00:57:46,309 --> 00:57:44,319
didn't think about my freedom at this

1321
00:57:49,190 --> 00:57:46,319
point you know i'm free i can you know

1322
00:57:52,230 --> 00:57:49,200
really go do this right i'm still

1323
00:57:54,230 --> 00:57:52,240
mentally trying to see where this

1324
00:57:56,549 --> 00:57:54,240
like i said our marriage already had

1325
00:57:58,549 --> 00:57:56,559
issues the issues had issues but at this

1326
00:57:59,990 --> 00:57:58,559
moment this is still sticking out in

1327
00:58:02,150 --> 00:58:00,000
front of me because now you got this

1328
00:58:03,510 --> 00:58:02,160
phenomenon you got this thing that i

1329
00:58:04,789 --> 00:58:03,520
want to pursue

1330
00:58:06,870 --> 00:58:04,799
that

1331
00:58:08,470 --> 00:58:06,880
you know was she trying to say i'm crazy

1332
00:58:10,150 --> 00:58:08,480
without saying it you're great i'm

1333
00:58:12,230 --> 00:58:10,160
saying so all these things are a

1334
00:58:14,150 --> 00:58:12,240
processing because we are dealing with a

1335
00:58:16,549 --> 00:58:14,160
subject matter at that moment

1336
00:58:19,030 --> 00:58:16,559
that just wasn't too keen not only in my

1337
00:58:20,309 --> 00:58:19,040
community but just about anywhere anyway

1338
00:58:23,430 --> 00:58:20,319
right so

1339
00:58:24,789 --> 00:58:23,440
uh once that begin you know i begin to

1340
00:58:26,549 --> 00:58:24,799
process it and say you know wait a

1341
00:58:28,309 --> 00:58:26,559
minute i can do this i'm gonna go out

1342
00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:28,319
and do this so i was really excited i

1343
00:58:31,750 --> 00:58:30,240
start contacting the state director

1344
00:58:33,910 --> 00:58:31,760
sending emails

1345
00:58:36,549 --> 00:58:33,920
and actually responding to emails that i

1346
00:58:37,670 --> 00:58:36,559
sent them when i was in the marriage

1347
00:58:39,990 --> 00:58:37,680
talking about i wanted to be an

1348
00:58:41,829 --> 00:58:40,000
investigator so i'm going back over

1349
00:58:43,589 --> 00:58:41,839
these things and and ultimately one of

1350
00:58:45,430 --> 00:58:43,599
the guys said hey i would love to talk

1351
00:58:47,109 --> 00:58:45,440
with you on the phone and that's how it

1352
00:58:48,950 --> 00:58:47,119
started before the meetup you know and

1353
00:58:50,549 --> 00:58:48,960
so i'm on the phone and

1354
00:58:52,309 --> 00:58:50,559
and then at this moment

1355
00:58:54,150 --> 00:58:52,319
you know it's like okay

1356
00:58:56,870 --> 00:58:54,160
it's going to be x amount of dollars to

1357
00:59:00,630 --> 00:58:56,880
take this exam and and all this stuff at

1358
00:59:02,789 --> 00:59:00,640
that moment and so that was uh another

1359
00:59:04,710 --> 00:59:02,799
uh not so much a big obstacle at the

1360
00:59:07,109 --> 00:59:04,720
point but just okay

1361
00:59:09,270 --> 00:59:07,119
man you could spend several you know not

1362
00:59:11,510 --> 00:59:09,280
together fees out whatever they do now

1363
00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:11,520
but you're gonna spend some few extra

1364
00:59:16,549 --> 00:59:13,200
dollars on this thing

1365
00:59:18,390 --> 00:59:16,559
is this what you want to do you know

1366
00:59:19,670 --> 00:59:18,400
and uh man

1367
00:59:22,789 --> 00:59:19,680
it was the best thing i ever could have

1368
00:59:25,510 --> 00:59:22,799
done um i wouldn't trade it for the

1369
00:59:26,789 --> 00:59:25,520
world sorry that the relationship went

1370
00:59:29,670 --> 00:59:26,799
where it went

1371
00:59:32,470 --> 00:59:29,680
but man this this life of mine is is on

1372
00:59:35,030 --> 00:59:32,480
a rocket ship to space yeah i'm going

1373
00:59:37,430 --> 00:59:35,040
yeah for sure i will never forget i've

1374
00:59:40,470 --> 00:59:37,440
got a minute uh before the break

1375
00:59:42,230 --> 00:59:40,480
i will never forget because my world was

1376
00:59:44,150 --> 00:59:42,240
closed down too

1377
00:59:47,190 --> 00:59:44,160
okay i didn't discuss this stuff with my

1378
00:59:50,470 --> 00:59:47,200
friends not really i tried to but i kept

1379
00:59:51,829 --> 00:59:50,480
it all you know under wraps but my first

1380
00:59:54,069 --> 00:59:51,839
mufon meeting

1381
00:59:59,589 --> 00:59:54,079
2008

1382
01:00:02,150 --> 00:59:59,599
um i couldn't wait

1383
01:00:04,390 --> 01:00:02,160
for that meeting and hanging out and

1384
01:00:05,510 --> 01:00:04,400
listening so i'm standing there uh

1385
01:00:07,030 --> 01:00:05,520
roderick

1386
01:00:08,230 --> 01:00:07,040
um and i'm sure you went through the

1387
01:00:09,990 --> 01:00:08,240
same thing but i'm listening to

1388
01:00:11,349 --> 01:00:10,000
conversations before the meeting started

1389
01:00:13,030 --> 01:00:11,359
you know people talking about different

1390
01:00:14,230 --> 01:00:13,040
sightings and a thing that they're

1391
01:00:16,390 --> 01:00:14,240
investigating or whatever and i'm

1392
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listening like

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i'm here

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with friends

1395
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talking about ufos

1396
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this is awesome and i mean i because you

1397
01:00:30,710 --> 01:00:28,720
you're just so bottled up you know and

1398
01:00:32,710 --> 01:00:30,720
you can't and i'm just thinking to

1399
01:00:34,470 --> 01:00:32,720
myself i'm listening and and some of

1400
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these people are my closest friends

1401
01:00:37,829 --> 01:00:35,839
today right

1402
01:00:39,829 --> 01:00:37,839
but i'm listening and i'm like i cannot

1403
01:00:42,630 --> 01:00:39,839
believe they're talking about this

1404
01:00:44,549 --> 01:00:42,640
yes out in the open right

1405
01:00:46,789 --> 01:00:44,559
and with people standing around them

1406
01:00:49,270 --> 01:00:46,799
going yeah that's wow

1407
01:00:51,510 --> 01:00:49,280
and uh and i i just had the best time

1408
01:00:53,829 --> 01:00:51,520
that that first mufon meeting

1409
01:00:56,789 --> 01:00:53,839
uh for me was just really really special

1410
01:00:59,430 --> 01:00:56,799
it's really it's really uh

1411
01:01:00,950 --> 01:00:59,440
what i would call it's that moment right

1412
01:01:03,030 --> 01:01:00,960
and and for me jimmy it was a little

1413
01:01:05,190 --> 01:01:03,040
different because i'm walking into a

1414
01:01:06,309 --> 01:01:05,200
place and and i can say this as clear as

1415
01:01:07,750 --> 01:01:06,319
i want to say

1416
01:01:10,950 --> 01:01:07,760
that wasn't too many people look like me

1417
01:01:13,030 --> 01:01:10,960
in that room how many okay okay uh

1418
01:01:15,109 --> 01:01:13,040
i gotta head to a break were you the

1419
01:01:16,870 --> 01:01:15,119
only black person there

1420
01:01:18,390 --> 01:01:16,880
i think so because i didn't see anyone

1421
01:01:20,870 --> 01:01:18,400
else but that don't mean i didn't just

1422
01:01:23,030 --> 01:01:20,880
sense that i was by myself

1423
01:01:25,030 --> 01:01:23,040
we'll pick up a little pick up right

1424
01:01:27,270 --> 01:01:25,040
muffin out of this to say hey he's the

1425
01:01:29,109 --> 01:01:27,280
only one no i think i was the only one

1426
01:01:30,950 --> 01:01:29,119
at the moment at the time that i was

1427
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standing right there all right let's

1428
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take our break roderick martin is with

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us tonight first time on fade to black

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i'm yours jimmy church want to remind

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everybody tomorrow nights

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maureen saint-germain wednesday night

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richard dolan thursday is another fader

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night right here on fade to block on the

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damn it

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jimmy church and fade to black on the

1464
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listen i know and you know that you've

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or maybe you're a collector just like me

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1490
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1508
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1509
01:05:27,510 --> 01:05:24,160
as we set out to explain the unexplained

1510
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friday may 13th and saturday the 14th

1511
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hi this is the planet and you're

1513
01:05:53,430 --> 01:05:50,480
listening to my good friend jimmy church

1514
01:05:55,670 --> 01:05:53,440
fade to black

1515
01:05:57,670 --> 01:05:55,680
this is toby kebbel you're listening to

1516
01:06:00,710 --> 01:05:57,680
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1517
01:06:02,710 --> 01:06:00,720
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1518
01:06:08,230 --> 01:06:02,720
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1519
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hey i'm adrian grenier and i'm ari gold

1520
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we're the honey brothers

1521
01:06:16,069 --> 01:06:14,480
and you're listening to jimmy church a

1522
01:06:17,670 --> 01:06:16,079
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1523
01:06:19,670 --> 01:06:17,680
this is jimmy churchill fade to black

1524
01:06:21,990 --> 01:06:19,680
and you can become an official fate or

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not by just going to our membership

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1527
01:06:30,630 --> 01:06:28,309
hello this is serena wright taylor from

1528
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conscious life expo and you're listening

1529
01:06:35,349 --> 01:06:33,039
to fade to black with jimmy church who

1530
01:06:38,950 --> 01:06:35,359
holds the lucky pony record for the best

1531
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astrological chart since 1963. true

1532
01:06:42,470 --> 01:06:40,799
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1533
01:06:44,150 --> 01:06:42,480
this is micah hanks of the ghrelian

1534
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:44,160
report and you're listening to jimmy

1535
01:06:50,060 --> 01:06:46,090
church on fade to black

1536
01:06:50,380 --> 01:06:50,070
[Music]

1537
01:07:06,390 --> 01:06:50,390
[Applause]

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01:07:08,150 --> 01:07:06,400
[Music]

1539
01:07:09,750 --> 01:07:08,160
welcome back fade to black i am your

1540
01:07:12,870 --> 01:07:09,760
host jimmy church tonight roderick

1541
01:07:15,430 --> 01:07:12,880
martin is with us the new voice

1542
01:07:17,589 --> 01:07:15,440
the new voice of the ufo community

1543
01:07:19,029 --> 01:07:17,599
and uh lots to talk about tonight with

1544
01:07:20,950 --> 01:07:19,039
roderick and i don't know how we're

1545
01:07:22,309 --> 01:07:20,960
gonna squeeze it all in

1546
01:07:25,990 --> 01:07:22,319
but uh

1547
01:07:27,589 --> 01:07:26,000
i do want to uh uh uh jump back uh a

1548
01:07:28,470 --> 01:07:27,599
little bit here

1549
01:07:33,270 --> 01:07:28,480
and

1550
01:07:34,549 --> 01:07:33,280
you know your first involvement with

1551
01:07:38,710 --> 01:07:34,559
mufon

1552
01:07:40,549 --> 01:07:38,720
uh to where we are today with the ufo

1553
01:07:42,150 --> 01:07:40,559
subject uh you know in the media and

1554
01:07:43,910 --> 01:07:42,160
everything else

1555
01:07:46,950 --> 01:07:43,920
did you expect

1556
01:07:52,150 --> 01:07:46,960
these days to actually have arrived

1557
01:07:56,470 --> 01:07:53,910
well

1558
01:07:57,190 --> 01:07:56,480
i got one request first though what's

1559
01:07:58,950 --> 01:07:57,200
that

1560
01:08:00,549 --> 01:07:58,960
you got to let me do this is roderick

1561
01:08:03,589 --> 01:08:00,559
martin you're listening to jimmy church

1562
01:08:05,270 --> 01:08:03,599
fade to play i got to get in on that

1563
01:08:06,950 --> 01:08:05,280
did i just have my two seconds right

1564
01:08:08,710 --> 01:08:06,960
yeah yeah just go

1565
01:08:11,829 --> 01:08:08,720
all right guys this is roderick martin

1566
01:08:13,510 --> 01:08:11,839
you're listening to jimmy church fade

1567
01:08:14,950 --> 01:08:13,520
the blacks

1568
01:08:17,430 --> 01:08:14,960
all right there we go i just want to

1569
01:08:18,950 --> 01:08:17,440
practice so when my time comes oh man i

1570
01:08:20,070 --> 01:08:18,960
already got the cut you already got it

1571
01:08:22,309 --> 01:08:20,080
yeah yeah yeah

1572
01:08:24,390 --> 01:08:22,319
you can take it that far you could uh

1573
01:08:26,309 --> 01:08:24,400
you know you can co-host you know you

1574
01:08:28,630 --> 01:08:26,319
come in here and uh

1575
01:08:30,390 --> 01:08:28,640
uh i'll take some time off and and throw

1576
01:08:32,709 --> 01:08:30,400
you the keys to the car

1577
01:08:35,430 --> 01:08:32,719
i'll take it i'll take it so all right

1578
01:08:37,110 --> 01:08:35,440
so let's get down to

1579
01:08:38,709 --> 01:08:37,120
from then and now it's what you're him

1580
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right

1581
01:08:42,630 --> 01:08:39,759
yeah and

1582
01:08:43,990 --> 01:08:42,640
because you know when i

1583
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i

1584
01:08:49,269 --> 01:08:48,159
we've you know we

1585
01:08:51,189 --> 01:08:49,279
uh

1586
01:08:53,349 --> 01:08:51,199
share the same passions and kind of took

1587
01:08:58,149 --> 01:08:53,359
the same route into this thing

1588
01:09:00,950 --> 01:08:58,159
and i had no idea i had hopes and dreams

1589
01:09:03,669 --> 01:09:00,960
you know back in 2008 with my first

1590
01:09:07,030 --> 01:09:03,679
mufon meeting but i had no idea

1591
01:09:09,910 --> 01:09:07,040
that these things would uh arrive uh

1592
01:09:13,510 --> 01:09:09,920
eventually into the mainstream

1593
01:09:15,430 --> 01:09:13,520
man i tell you what uh i i gotta go with

1594
01:09:17,749 --> 01:09:15,440
you on that one because

1595
01:09:19,430 --> 01:09:17,759
you know i looked on tv i saw the

1596
01:09:22,229 --> 01:09:19,440
different people

1597
01:09:25,829 --> 01:09:22,239
you know i admired everybody from linda

1598
01:09:28,309 --> 01:09:25,839
moton howie howard to from you know we

1599
01:09:30,950 --> 01:09:28,319
got billy carson you got whitley

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01:09:32,789 --> 01:09:30,960
strieber barbin lamb

1601
01:09:34,470 --> 01:09:32,799
kathleen martin

1602
01:09:36,550 --> 01:09:34,480
i mean in the list

1603
01:09:38,630 --> 01:09:36,560
goes on and on and on

1604
01:09:40,789 --> 01:09:38,640
and now you know all these people are in

1605
01:09:43,430 --> 01:09:40,799
my phone right we talk

1606
01:09:45,349 --> 01:09:43,440
and you know i would have never thought

1607
01:09:47,269 --> 01:09:45,359
in you know that

1608
01:09:49,749 --> 01:09:47,279
you know where i would be today with

1609
01:09:51,749 --> 01:09:49,759
this um especially even if i had an

1610
01:09:53,189 --> 01:09:51,759
opportunity to just tell you you know

1611
01:09:55,430 --> 01:09:53,199
not in more detail but i can tell our

1612
01:09:58,229 --> 01:09:55,440
audience what this transition has done

1613
01:10:00,070 --> 01:09:58,239
you know but at the end of the day

1614
01:10:01,590 --> 01:10:00,080
you know deceleration of it because i

1615
01:10:04,790 --> 01:10:01,600
often have conversations with people

1616
01:10:06,149 --> 01:10:04,800
that's been around ufology for 20 30

1617
01:10:08,310 --> 01:10:06,159
some out years

1618
01:10:10,390 --> 01:10:08,320
and when i start going down some of the

1619
01:10:12,310 --> 01:10:10,400
things that i have

1620
01:10:13,270 --> 01:10:12,320
happen and things that are coming to

1621
01:10:16,470 --> 01:10:13,280
happen

1622
01:10:19,270 --> 01:10:16,480
one of the things that they ask is how

1623
01:10:20,709 --> 01:10:19,280
how is this going on how you know i've

1624
01:10:23,990 --> 01:10:20,719
been doing this for 20 years i've been

1625
01:10:26,390 --> 01:10:24,000
doing this for 15 years or you know and

1626
01:10:28,229 --> 01:10:26,400
how is this particular things are

1627
01:10:31,110 --> 01:10:28,239
happening to you

1628
01:10:32,470 --> 01:10:31,120
you know and i think that you know uh

1629
01:10:35,430 --> 01:10:32,480
and maybe bring let me bring the

1630
01:10:37,990 --> 01:10:35,440
audience into what is happening okay

1631
01:10:40,709 --> 01:10:38,000
that fair enough and sure

1632
01:10:43,910 --> 01:10:40,719
so basically as i was telling the story

1633
01:10:47,030 --> 01:10:43,920
earlier you know where my ex-wife at the

1634
01:10:49,030 --> 01:10:47,040
time i could not you know even indulge

1635
01:10:50,390 --> 01:10:49,040
into the night watching of all these

1636
01:10:52,870 --> 01:10:50,400
things i had to make sure the tv is

1637
01:10:54,950 --> 01:10:52,880
turned off from ancient aliens went from

1638
01:10:57,510 --> 01:10:54,960
there saying hey you know what i'm gonna

1639
01:10:59,510 --> 01:10:57,520
go to this mufon meeting signed up

1640
01:11:02,950 --> 01:10:59,520
became an investigator

1641
01:11:05,830 --> 01:11:02,960
created my first youtube video

1642
01:11:08,310 --> 01:11:05,840
talking about um you know the government

1643
01:11:10,470 --> 01:11:08,320
secrets and and what was happening

1644
01:11:12,950 --> 01:11:10,480
at that time get a phone call

1645
01:11:15,350 --> 01:11:12,960
from someone saying hey we saw your

1646
01:11:18,550 --> 01:11:15,360
video we want you to

1647
01:11:20,149 --> 01:11:18,560
you know be a host in a tv show on

1648
01:11:21,510 --> 01:11:20,159
you know our network

1649
01:11:24,229 --> 01:11:21,520
and you know once again i'm thinking of

1650
01:11:25,110 --> 01:11:24,239
being pranked so at that point i'm like

1651
01:11:27,270 --> 01:11:25,120
okay

1652
01:11:29,510 --> 01:11:27,280
they can we do a zoom meeting and i'm

1653
01:11:32,310 --> 01:11:29,520
like yeah we can do this

1654
01:11:34,070 --> 01:11:32,320
um but not today let's go friday it was

1655
01:11:35,910 --> 01:11:34,080
monday and the reason i picked friday

1656
01:11:38,149 --> 01:11:35,920
because i figured whoever was pranking

1657
01:11:40,630 --> 01:11:38,159
me jimmy by that point would have

1658
01:11:43,030 --> 01:11:40,640
forgotten about the prank

1659
01:11:45,590 --> 01:11:43,040
but ultimately i get this email on

1660
01:11:48,070 --> 01:11:45,600
friday reminding me of a zoom conference

1661
01:11:49,910 --> 01:11:48,080
with this particular uh

1662
01:11:52,310 --> 01:11:49,920
you know group of people

1663
01:11:55,350 --> 01:11:52,320
and so i get on this thing and we start

1664
01:11:57,910 --> 01:11:55,360
talking about you know ufo shows and and

1665
01:12:00,149 --> 01:11:57,920
here here here's the thing that and i'm

1666
01:12:03,030 --> 01:12:00,159
not tooting any horns but this is just

1667
01:12:04,870 --> 01:12:03,040
give everyone some context of

1668
01:12:06,630 --> 01:12:04,880
where we going with this ufo thing this

1669
01:12:08,149 --> 01:12:06,640
consciousness all of these things but

1670
01:12:10,229 --> 01:12:08,159
there was a time that i would tell my

1671
01:12:11,430 --> 01:12:10,239
ex-wife you know hey you got to give

1672
01:12:13,350 --> 01:12:11,440
them something they've never seen before

1673
01:12:16,310 --> 01:12:13,360
you got to be if you're going to be out

1674
01:12:18,790 --> 01:12:16,320
here you got to be your your unique self

1675
01:12:20,870 --> 01:12:18,800
but just develop your persona be who you

1676
01:12:23,350 --> 01:12:20,880
are give them and i will say this

1677
01:12:25,830 --> 01:12:23,360
consistently to her because she had an

1678
01:12:28,070 --> 01:12:25,840
admiration of doing youtube and in you

1679
01:12:30,630 --> 01:12:28,080
know social media and but then never

1680
01:12:33,590 --> 01:12:30,640
realized i was talking to myself right

1681
01:12:36,310 --> 01:12:33,600
and i ended up uh going through that

1682
01:12:37,270 --> 01:12:36,320
interview they asked me about ufos and i

1683
01:12:39,750 --> 01:12:37,280
told them

1684
01:12:41,270 --> 01:12:39,760
and they told me about being a host in

1685
01:12:42,950 --> 01:12:41,280
this tv show

1686
01:12:44,870 --> 01:12:42,960
and at the time we we're doing a zoom

1687
01:12:47,270 --> 01:12:44,880
meeting and i got the camera on but i'm

1688
01:12:49,510 --> 01:12:47,280
still spaced out of this thing because

1689
01:12:51,669 --> 01:12:49,520
i'm like this is not happening what the

1690
01:12:53,669 --> 01:12:51,679
hell is going on here right

1691
01:12:55,830 --> 01:12:53,679
they said well robert we need you to

1692
01:12:57,350 --> 01:12:55,840
look into this camera

1693
01:12:58,709 --> 01:12:57,360
and so jim i looked in the camera and

1694
01:13:01,030 --> 01:12:58,719
the lady says well

1695
01:13:03,110 --> 01:13:01,040
i want you to know this is real

1696
01:13:04,790 --> 01:13:03,120
you're going to be a star this is real

1697
01:13:06,630 --> 01:13:04,800
and i'm saying am i that transparent she

1698
01:13:09,110 --> 01:13:06,640
said yes you are because i obviously see

1699
01:13:11,110 --> 01:13:09,120
both dude i was not believing a word

1700
01:13:12,790 --> 01:13:11,120
coming out these people's mouth

1701
01:13:15,590 --> 01:13:12,800
and then ultimately they said well we're

1702
01:13:17,430 --> 01:13:15,600
going to send you uh some paperwork uh

1703
01:13:20,229 --> 01:13:17,440
we want you to

1704
01:13:21,669 --> 01:13:20,239
you know sign this and and basically us

1705
01:13:22,790 --> 01:13:21,679
an opportunity to put some things

1706
01:13:25,510 --> 01:13:22,800
together

1707
01:13:27,430 --> 01:13:25,520
and i said well okay how did you why and

1708
01:13:30,149 --> 01:13:27,440
why did you pick me why did you find me

1709
01:13:32,870 --> 01:13:30,159
or how and the lady said these words

1710
01:13:33,910 --> 01:13:32,880
you're something we never seen before

1711
01:13:37,270 --> 01:13:33,920
so

1712
01:13:39,590 --> 01:13:37,280
i was blown away at that moment like

1713
01:13:42,070 --> 01:13:39,600
this is like this is incredible

1714
01:13:44,390 --> 01:13:42,080
you know and the one person i wanted to

1715
01:13:46,630 --> 01:13:44,400
tell out of anybody in the world was her

1716
01:13:48,390 --> 01:13:46,640
and not out of envy but just baby this

1717
01:13:49,750 --> 01:13:48,400
happened baby you know like the movie

1718
01:13:52,950 --> 01:13:49,760
you know five heartbeats or something

1719
01:13:55,590 --> 01:13:52,960
baby doll this is happening you know

1720
01:13:58,390 --> 01:13:55,600
so all right so let's move on

1721
01:13:59,990 --> 01:13:58,400
two weeks later i get on clubhouse

1722
01:14:02,070 --> 01:14:00,000
and she's the one because we still

1723
01:14:03,030 --> 01:14:02,080
communicate in a little bit says hey you

1724
01:14:04,870 --> 01:14:03,040
need to get on clubhouse because you

1725
01:14:06,310 --> 01:14:04,880
could talk about ufos you can finally

1726
01:14:08,550 --> 01:14:06,320
talk about people

1727
01:14:11,189 --> 01:14:08,560
in ufos i was like okay shoot what is

1728
01:14:12,390 --> 01:14:11,199
that you know so i pull up the app

1729
01:14:14,950 --> 01:14:12,400
and uh

1730
01:14:17,189 --> 01:14:14,960
notice that hey they got rooms about

1731
01:14:18,950 --> 01:14:17,199
ufos i'm like hey

1732
01:14:21,110 --> 01:14:18,960
this is it this is it i could talk about

1733
01:14:23,830 --> 01:14:21,120
ufos so i

1734
01:14:25,110 --> 01:14:23,840
you know get in it started my club asked

1735
01:14:26,790 --> 01:14:25,120
her to be my first member because i

1736
01:14:29,110 --> 01:14:26,800
wanted to know how the app was like but

1737
01:14:31,669 --> 01:14:29,120
really i just wanted to hear me talk but

1738
01:14:33,830 --> 01:14:31,679
she said i'm not doing that so i my goal

1739
01:14:35,910 --> 01:14:33,840
jimmy was to get at least 20 30 people

1740
01:14:40,390 --> 01:14:35,920
once again that i can lively talk about

1741
01:14:42,709 --> 01:14:40,400
ufos so i get on that and ultimately um

1742
01:14:45,030 --> 01:14:42,719
you know today that club is one of the

1743
01:14:47,270 --> 01:14:45,040
largest there i got 24 000 people and i

1744
01:14:50,310 --> 01:14:47,280
do a show there weekly and that's weekly

1745
01:14:52,149 --> 01:14:50,320
with two e's not w-e-a-k

1746
01:14:54,870 --> 01:14:52,159
and uh so

1747
01:14:56,550 --> 01:14:54,880
uh but before that clubhouse ran this

1748
01:14:58,229 --> 01:14:56,560
program and they wanted some content on

1749
01:14:59,030 --> 01:14:58,239
their app they was looking for creators

1750
01:15:04,149 --> 01:14:59,040
and

1751
01:15:06,550 --> 01:15:04,159
was one of them they chose 60 people i

1752
01:15:08,149 --> 01:15:06,560
became one of the 60 people that they

1753
01:15:09,110 --> 01:15:08,159
chose and they said look

1754
01:15:10,390 --> 01:15:09,120
we're going to give you a thousand

1755
01:15:13,350 --> 01:15:10,400
dollars to create

1756
01:15:16,070 --> 01:15:13,360
a first ufo show okay

1757
01:15:18,070 --> 01:15:16,080
and we we want you to do this and we're

1758
01:15:20,390 --> 01:15:18,080
gonna have some judges and everything so

1759
01:15:22,310 --> 01:15:20,400
man i'm calling around i'm still new i'm

1760
01:15:24,790 --> 01:15:22,320
trying to connect with people

1761
01:15:27,110 --> 01:15:24,800
uh i'm asking the community hey guys i'm

1762
01:15:28,470 --> 01:15:27,120
trying to i got this thousand bucks i

1763
01:15:29,669 --> 01:15:28,480
want you know this time i'm going for

1764
01:15:32,229 --> 01:15:29,679
the birds i'm gonna i mean you know i

1765
01:15:34,149 --> 01:15:32,239
want lou alexander i'm a president i

1766
01:15:37,189 --> 01:15:34,159
want jimmy church you know i want these

1767
01:15:40,149 --> 01:15:37,199
people to be on my show right and so at

1768
01:15:41,669 --> 01:15:40,159
this point i couldn't reach nobody

1769
01:15:43,910 --> 01:15:41,679
because i was you know i wasn't there in

1770
01:15:45,990 --> 01:15:43,920
the connective thing again but

1771
01:15:48,149 --> 01:15:46,000
you know alice steinfeld if you know him

1772
01:15:49,350 --> 01:15:48,159
he was very instrumental and he says you

1773
01:15:50,470 --> 01:15:49,360
know what i'm gonna introduce you to a

1774
01:15:53,189 --> 01:15:50,480
few people

1775
01:15:54,310 --> 01:15:53,199
and and i said okay i appreciate it and

1776
01:15:57,110 --> 01:15:54,320
we

1777
01:15:59,110 --> 01:15:57,120
i ended up picking up the phone

1778
01:16:00,630 --> 01:15:59,120
calling billy carson

1779
01:16:02,229 --> 01:16:00,640
and he answered the phone and i said

1780
01:16:03,990 --> 01:16:02,239
billy this is roderick martin he said

1781
01:16:05,430 --> 01:16:04,000
what's up bro and i said what's going on

1782
01:16:07,110 --> 01:16:05,440
so we got to talking and i told him what

1783
01:16:09,350 --> 01:16:07,120
i was up against and i said man i am

1784
01:16:12,070 --> 01:16:09,360
trying to find somebody

1785
01:16:14,149 --> 01:16:12,080
for my pilot show i got two weeks i got

1786
01:16:16,149 --> 01:16:14,159
to put somebody together he said i got

1787
01:16:19,030 --> 01:16:16,159
you i'll be there for you and by this

1788
01:16:21,910 --> 01:16:19,040
time uh i reached kathleen martin and

1789
01:16:24,070 --> 01:16:21,920
she says i got you i'll be there for you

1790
01:16:26,070 --> 01:16:24,080
by this time i reached whitley strieber

1791
01:16:27,030 --> 01:16:26,080
he said i got you i'll be on your show

1792
01:16:29,270 --> 01:16:27,040
with you

1793
01:16:31,590 --> 01:16:29,280
and by this time i end up reaching linda

1794
01:16:35,590 --> 01:16:31,600
modern house i got you i only give you

1795
01:16:37,830 --> 01:16:35,600
an hour but i'll be there okay and uh so

1796
01:16:39,110 --> 01:16:37,840
barbing lamb she said i got you i'll be

1797
01:16:41,830 --> 01:16:39,120
on there with you

1798
01:16:44,390 --> 01:16:41,840
and then uh there then allen was on

1799
01:16:46,390 --> 01:16:44,400
there as well and i had someone and bill

1800
01:16:47,189 --> 01:16:46,400
you know and so all of a sudden i got

1801
01:16:48,950 --> 01:16:47,199
this

1802
01:16:51,110 --> 01:16:48,960
massive

1803
01:16:53,910 --> 01:16:51,120
crowd of people and i got one and a half

1804
01:16:56,790 --> 01:16:53,920
hour how do i all upset yes they'll help

1805
01:16:59,510 --> 01:16:56,800
me out and i was blown away

1806
01:17:01,270 --> 01:16:59,520
and the show was supposed to last an

1807
01:17:03,270 --> 01:17:01,280
hour and a half and now you're trying to

1808
01:17:07,189 --> 01:17:03,280
get all these people time to speak and

1809
01:17:08,870 --> 01:17:07,199
tell their story impossible and possible

1810
01:17:11,350 --> 01:17:08,880
it went for three and a half to four

1811
01:17:13,030 --> 01:17:11,360
hours long i really dropped the mic i

1812
01:17:14,870 --> 01:17:13,040
said forget it i'm not gonna even win

1813
01:17:16,709 --> 01:17:14,880
this show i'm not gonna do any but i'm

1814
01:17:19,750 --> 01:17:16,719
not gonna let this moment go by they can

1815
01:17:21,270 --> 01:17:19,760
just talk all they want linda was like

1816
01:17:23,430 --> 01:17:21,280
i'm only gonna be here a few a little

1817
01:17:26,229 --> 01:17:23,440
bit she was there for two and a half

1818
01:17:27,350 --> 01:17:26,239
hours too we were dialoguing this thing

1819
01:17:29,430 --> 01:17:27,360
back

1820
01:17:30,550 --> 01:17:29,440
and i had gave up i was like but you

1821
01:17:33,189 --> 01:17:30,560
know what

1822
01:17:34,630 --> 01:17:33,199
it's going to be my one night forever to

1823
01:17:36,950 --> 01:17:34,640
remember

1824
01:17:39,030 --> 01:17:36,960
a and then about three weeks later they

1825
01:17:41,030 --> 01:17:39,040
sent me a thing and said you are one of

1826
01:17:43,830 --> 01:17:41,040
the winners they gave me a contract you

1827
01:17:45,030 --> 01:17:43,840
know um to do a weekly show there and

1828
01:17:47,430 --> 01:17:45,040
you know i'm in the second season of

1829
01:17:49,990 --> 01:17:47,440
that so i was like whoa this is

1830
01:17:52,470 --> 01:17:50,000
this is it but then uh

1831
01:17:54,550 --> 01:17:52,480
i didn't get another phone call uh from

1832
01:17:55,510 --> 01:17:54,560
fox 2b they're a production company and

1833
01:17:58,470 --> 01:17:55,520
said we want you to be in our

1834
01:18:00,630 --> 01:17:58,480
documentary so now i already

1835
01:18:02,550 --> 01:18:00,640
uh you know signed the deal to do the

1836
01:18:04,229 --> 01:18:02,560
one and i can tell people because i just

1837
01:18:06,790 --> 01:18:04,239
before you you and i got on here i was

1838
01:18:09,430 --> 01:18:06,800
just watching the sneak preview of the

1839
01:18:11,350 --> 01:18:09,440
show they gave me the screener and i

1840
01:18:13,750 --> 01:18:11,360
can't say anything about it but you know

1841
01:18:15,350 --> 01:18:13,760
we filmed this thing for two weeks and

1842
01:18:17,110 --> 01:18:15,360
i'm probably in there like six minutes

1843
01:18:19,189 --> 01:18:17,120
here two minutes there three minutes

1844
01:18:20,310 --> 01:18:19,199
here and i'm like is this how tv works

1845
01:18:21,590 --> 01:18:20,320
you know rest is they doing their

1846
01:18:24,229 --> 01:18:21,600
storytelling but

1847
01:18:26,950 --> 01:18:24,239
it was just a moment to look back on so

1848
01:18:28,390 --> 01:18:26,960
i i filmed the documentary for

1849
01:18:30,630 --> 01:18:28,400
fox tubey

1850
01:18:32,950 --> 01:18:30,640
and then uh you know most recently i've

1851
01:18:34,790 --> 01:18:32,960
done a couple other projects i do a

1852
01:18:37,350 --> 01:18:34,800
eight episode uh

1853
01:18:40,390 --> 01:18:37,360
season of a project that is coming up

1854
01:18:42,470 --> 01:18:40,400
next month uh i will be going down to uh

1855
01:18:46,390 --> 01:18:42,480
beyond belief with uh

1856
01:18:49,590 --> 01:18:46,400
um george nori uh in may and um

1857
01:18:51,990 --> 01:18:49,600
i also have an agent now and i just did

1858
01:18:53,910 --> 01:18:52,000
another uh big thing that's going to be

1859
01:18:55,830 --> 01:18:53,920
pretty impressive uh can't really go

1860
01:18:57,669 --> 01:18:55,840
into the details but you know when i

1861
01:18:58,790 --> 01:18:57,679
look at all this jimmy the from the

1862
01:19:01,270 --> 01:18:58,800
radio

1863
01:19:03,350 --> 01:19:01,280
the contract with clubhouse

1864
01:19:05,030 --> 01:19:03,360
the six seven tv

1865
01:19:07,350 --> 01:19:05,040
things that's already happening this

1866
01:19:09,350 --> 01:19:07,360
year which none of them has aired yet so

1867
01:19:10,950 --> 01:19:09,360
no one really even knows who i am except

1868
01:19:11,910 --> 01:19:10,960
for the people underneath this thing

1869
01:19:13,750 --> 01:19:11,920
right

1870
01:19:14,709 --> 01:19:13,760
and uh

1871
01:19:17,830 --> 01:19:14,719
and then

1872
01:19:18,790 --> 01:19:17,840
lo and behold i sit down and i eat lunch

1873
01:19:22,630 --> 01:19:18,800
dinner

1874
01:19:24,470 --> 01:19:22,640
some time with jimmy church you know and

1875
01:19:26,470 --> 01:19:24,480
and i have to tell you man that that

1876
01:19:28,390 --> 01:19:26,480
moment was a very

1877
01:19:30,470 --> 01:19:28,400
uh impressive moment because people see

1878
01:19:32,709 --> 01:19:30,480
you where you are right now

1879
01:19:34,310 --> 01:19:32,719
they see the guitars they got to know

1880
01:19:36,470 --> 01:19:34,320
this is a lively person who plays

1881
01:19:38,630 --> 01:19:36,480
guitars right or something but i got to

1882
01:19:39,510 --> 01:19:38,640
met you personally

1883
01:19:41,590 --> 01:19:39,520
and

1884
01:19:43,750 --> 01:19:41,600
when you took the time to you know give

1885
01:19:46,550 --> 01:19:43,760
me the intimate details about

1886
01:19:48,870 --> 01:19:46,560
you know where we are where we're going

1887
01:19:50,310 --> 01:19:48,880
things that i could improve on

1888
01:19:51,750 --> 01:19:50,320
and you didn't have to tell me a lot of

1889
01:19:53,910 --> 01:19:51,760
things that you told me you didn't have

1890
01:19:56,310 --> 01:19:53,920
to have those conversations

1891
01:19:59,590 --> 01:19:56,320
but you welcomed me to the community you

1892
01:20:01,750 --> 01:19:59,600
know and and even when we met you waited

1893
01:20:04,310 --> 01:20:01,760
around for me to meet me right i sure

1894
01:20:06,229 --> 01:20:04,320
did i sure did well you know it made me

1895
01:20:07,590 --> 01:20:06,239
feel pretty good but you know you get

1896
01:20:09,830 --> 01:20:07,600
out of this uh

1897
01:20:12,790 --> 01:20:09,840
uh very impressive car

1898
01:20:15,270 --> 01:20:12,800
you got your driver right but you jumped

1899
01:20:17,270 --> 01:20:15,280
out i and uh i came out to greet you but

1900
01:20:18,390 --> 01:20:17,280
you just jumped out and said man jimmy

1901
01:20:21,669 --> 01:20:18,400
church

1902
01:20:23,910 --> 01:20:21,679
and and that made me feel great and and

1903
01:20:25,750 --> 01:20:23,920
because this community is a is a small

1904
01:20:27,270 --> 01:20:25,760
one you know the good part about that

1905
01:20:29,110 --> 01:20:27,280
though jimmy what's that

1906
01:20:30,950 --> 01:20:29,120
that mean you look like what you look

1907
01:20:32,229 --> 01:20:30,960
like what they see is what they get all

1908
01:20:34,149 --> 01:20:32,239
the time some people i gotta look at

1909
01:20:38,629 --> 01:20:34,159
somebody saying is that jimmy no i say

1910
01:20:40,550 --> 01:20:38,639
it jimmy church oh bad stop now and and

1911
01:20:42,470 --> 01:20:40,560
now now here's

1912
01:20:46,310 --> 01:20:42,480
here's the thing

1913
01:20:48,070 --> 01:20:46,320
um it's one thing to do uh tv and radio

1914
01:20:51,189 --> 01:20:48,080
and and movies and all of that but the

1915
01:20:53,430 --> 01:20:51,199
reason why you are doing that is uh your

1916
01:20:54,950 --> 01:20:53,440
experience not only as an investigator

1917
01:20:57,669 --> 01:20:54,960
but your research

1918
01:21:00,149 --> 01:20:57,679
um into this subject

1919
01:21:01,510 --> 01:21:00,159
and when you look back i mean you're

1920
01:21:03,990 --> 01:21:01,520
you're talking about these things on

1921
01:21:04,709 --> 01:21:04,000
camera now and and on clubhouse and on

1922
01:21:09,830 --> 01:21:04,719
your

1923
01:21:11,990 --> 01:21:09,840
this is um this is a point where

1924
01:21:14,790 --> 01:21:12,000
you're you have your opinions but you're

1925
01:21:16,870 --> 01:21:14,800
also bringing evidence forward

1926
01:21:19,430 --> 01:21:16,880
now when you look back

1927
01:21:21,669 --> 01:21:19,440
what are what's the case

1928
01:21:25,030 --> 01:21:21,679
you know what's the one case that that

1929
01:21:26,470 --> 01:21:25,040
you step back and go okay this

1930
01:21:29,910 --> 01:21:26,480
this to me

1931
01:21:33,030 --> 01:21:29,920
is is special what what's that one case

1932
01:21:34,470 --> 01:21:33,040
that you you think about the most

1933
01:21:36,310 --> 01:21:34,480
well you know it's a that's a great

1934
01:21:38,870 --> 01:21:36,320
question and

1935
01:21:41,270 --> 01:21:38,880
i get that all the time because people

1936
01:21:43,510 --> 01:21:41,280
say what's that one big thing

1937
01:21:46,870 --> 01:21:43,520
and it's hard to really now that you in

1938
01:21:50,229 --> 01:21:46,880
this and and and it's all the familiar

1939
01:21:53,350 --> 01:21:50,239
now it's not as shocking as it was

1940
01:21:56,390 --> 01:21:53,360
but i would think if i had to go back

1941
01:21:57,830 --> 01:21:56,400
and really decide now are you speaking

1942
01:21:59,750 --> 01:21:57,840
with a case that i probably had with

1943
01:22:01,510 --> 01:21:59,760
mufon or something no we're going to

1944
01:22:04,310 --> 01:22:01,520
research myself yeah we're going to get

1945
01:22:05,110 --> 01:22:04,320
to that we're going to get to move on um

1946
01:22:07,350 --> 01:22:05,120
but

1947
01:22:09,350 --> 01:22:07,360
you know the one case for me

1948
01:22:11,030 --> 01:22:09,360
let me help you out here i i it's almost

1949
01:22:11,990 --> 01:22:11,040
like a tie

1950
01:22:14,070 --> 01:22:12,000
because

1951
01:22:15,430 --> 01:22:14,080
you can't ignore roswell

1952
01:22:17,189 --> 01:22:15,440
um

1953
01:22:19,910 --> 01:22:17,199
that's come in my mind always we go

1954
01:22:21,669 --> 01:22:19,920
ahead can't can't ignore rendelsham

1955
01:22:24,950 --> 01:22:21,679
um you can't

1956
01:22:27,669 --> 01:22:24,960
ignore travis walton you know you can't

1957
01:22:31,590 --> 01:22:27,679
uh ignore betty and barney hill you can

1958
01:22:32,629 --> 01:22:31,600
uh zamora and socorro new mexico right

1959
01:22:35,669 --> 01:22:32,639
there are

1960
01:22:38,629 --> 01:22:35,679
these things that are tremendously

1961
01:22:41,830 --> 01:22:38,639
calvin parker right pascagoula where

1962
01:22:43,510 --> 01:22:41,840
these cases have so much supporting

1963
01:22:44,870 --> 01:22:43,520
evidence to them and eyewitness

1964
01:22:47,350 --> 01:22:44,880
testimony

1965
01:22:50,149 --> 01:22:47,360
and for me it's almost like a tie where

1966
01:22:53,590 --> 01:22:50,159
there isn't one case because i can focus

1967
01:22:55,750 --> 01:22:53,600
on something else and and and see what

1968
01:22:58,310 --> 01:22:55,760
makes that case so special

1969
01:22:59,189 --> 01:22:58,320
so that that's that's my take what's

1970
01:23:01,030 --> 01:22:59,199
yours

1971
01:23:03,270 --> 01:23:01,040
mine would be

1972
01:23:05,030 --> 01:23:03,280
avenue bird and all because antarctica

1973
01:23:06,870 --> 01:23:05,040
has always been

1974
01:23:08,229 --> 01:23:06,880
something that intrigued me from all the

1975
01:23:09,590 --> 01:23:08,239
stories watching some of the

1976
01:23:11,189 --> 01:23:09,600
documentaries

1977
01:23:13,590 --> 01:23:11,199
and then going back to you know

1978
01:23:14,550 --> 01:23:13,600
operation high jump you know and

1979
01:23:16,550 --> 01:23:14,560
but then

1980
01:23:19,510 --> 01:23:16,560
finding that there was more to the story

1981
01:23:20,790 --> 01:23:19,520
prior to high jump right

1982
01:23:23,590 --> 01:23:20,800
and when you start looking at the

1983
01:23:25,430 --> 01:23:23,600
different countries and and how life in

1984
01:23:26,790 --> 01:23:25,440
society for us and how close we could

1985
01:23:28,310 --> 01:23:26,800
have probably been speaking german you

1986
01:23:31,590 --> 01:23:28,320
know all these things

1987
01:23:34,149 --> 01:23:31,600
that resulted into high jump in after

1988
01:23:36,070 --> 01:23:34,159
but i think that was probably it and you

1989
01:23:36,790 --> 01:23:36,080
know not to be a shocker here but i

1990
01:23:39,110 --> 01:23:36,800
think

1991
01:23:41,350 --> 01:23:39,120
when you investigate antarctica and you

1992
01:23:43,910 --> 01:23:41,360
go previous to high jump

1993
01:23:45,510 --> 01:23:43,920
and when those beings told those uh

1994
01:23:47,510 --> 01:23:45,520
russian scientists

1995
01:23:48,870 --> 01:23:47,520
that you know we are the father of

1996
01:23:49,750 --> 01:23:48,880
creation

1997
01:23:56,709 --> 01:23:49,760
you know

1998
01:23:58,470 --> 01:23:56,719
that right there was that got me to

1999
01:24:00,310 --> 01:23:58,480
begin to go

2000
01:24:02,629 --> 01:24:00,320
wait a minute hold on a minute and

2001
01:24:04,870 --> 01:24:02,639
that's when i started going to marver

2002
01:24:06,950 --> 01:24:04,880
you know reading you know the bible

2003
01:24:08,709 --> 01:24:06,960
different things and verses and and you

2004
01:24:10,070 --> 01:24:08,719
know just looking for extraterrestrial

2005
01:24:11,910 --> 01:24:10,080
evidence and that's why i had named the

2006
01:24:15,830 --> 01:24:11,920
show at the time extra church evidence i

2007
01:24:18,149 --> 01:24:15,840
was on a hunt i wanted to find evidence

2008
01:24:20,229 --> 01:24:18,159
although you believe but you could you

2009
01:24:21,350 --> 01:24:20,239
just want more you want more you want

2010
01:24:23,110 --> 01:24:21,360
more than

2011
01:24:26,070 --> 01:24:23,120
uh and one of the things i learned from

2012
01:24:27,750 --> 01:24:26,080
robert salas you know the the the uh

2013
01:24:29,350 --> 01:24:27,760
the airmen us ironman that when they

2014
01:24:30,550 --> 01:24:29,360
turned off his nuclear weapons when he

2015
01:24:32,390 --> 01:24:30,560
was in the silo one of the things i

2016
01:24:33,910 --> 01:24:32,400
learned from him from previous

2017
01:24:34,790 --> 01:24:33,920
interviews and speaking with him on the

2018
01:24:36,470 --> 01:24:34,800
phone

2019
01:24:37,990 --> 01:24:36,480
is that trust the witnesses that's what

2020
01:24:39,110 --> 01:24:38,000
he always says it's time to trust

2021
01:24:41,590 --> 01:24:39,120
witnesses

2022
01:24:43,430 --> 01:24:41,600
and that's really where

2023
01:24:45,350 --> 01:24:43,440
you begin to believe in what you saw as

2024
01:24:47,350 --> 01:24:45,360
a kid anyway and i already have i

2025
01:24:49,750 --> 01:24:47,360
already have but now

2026
01:24:51,750 --> 01:24:49,760
when i start looking at all the people

2027
01:24:53,590 --> 01:24:51,760
abner bird talking about antarctica all

2028
01:24:56,629 --> 01:24:53,600
these different things like this was

2029
01:24:59,189 --> 01:24:56,639
happening long time ago this is before

2030
01:25:01,110 --> 01:24:59,199
roswell this is we knew about even

2031
01:25:03,750 --> 01:25:01,120
though roswell was a big thing

2032
01:25:05,990 --> 01:25:03,760
but we had an encounter that did not

2033
01:25:07,510 --> 01:25:06,000
turn out so well and

2034
01:25:10,629 --> 01:25:07,520
just to get everybody curious in the

2035
01:25:13,669 --> 01:25:10,639
story it's just those beings told those

2036
01:25:16,870 --> 01:25:13,679
russian people we know why you hear and

2037
01:25:17,669 --> 01:25:16,880
they spoke telepathically right

2038
01:25:20,070 --> 01:25:17,679
and

2039
01:25:23,110 --> 01:25:20,080
as a joking matter of this is didn't no

2040
01:25:25,030 --> 01:25:23,120
one tell abner bird jimmy that these

2041
01:25:26,870 --> 01:25:25,040
people knew they was coming and not

2042
01:25:29,270 --> 01:25:26,880
knowing that he was coming

2043
01:25:30,310 --> 01:25:29,280
and open up that can on us you know so

2044
01:25:32,390 --> 01:25:30,320
it's like

2045
01:25:34,550 --> 01:25:32,400
where that memo got missed that the you

2046
01:25:35,430 --> 01:25:34,560
know so that's the intriguing part of

2047
01:25:37,510 --> 01:25:35,440
this

2048
01:25:38,870 --> 01:25:37,520
that keeps me going with that storyline

2049
01:25:40,470 --> 01:25:38,880
when the beings told them in the

2050
01:25:41,510 --> 01:25:40,480
beginning you'll have to tell us why

2051
01:25:42,390 --> 01:25:41,520
we're here we already know why you

2052
01:25:43,830 --> 01:25:42,400
coming

2053
01:25:46,470 --> 01:25:43,840
and then we want to send a fleet of

2054
01:25:48,310 --> 01:25:46,480
people over there and as though they

2055
01:25:51,430 --> 01:25:48,320
we're going to sneak up on them so you

2056
01:25:54,070 --> 01:25:51,440
know do you do um before we get to the

2057
01:25:55,910 --> 01:25:54,080
break do you go out on sky watches do

2058
01:25:58,709 --> 01:25:55,920
you have the gear

2059
01:26:00,470 --> 01:25:58,719
i i bought a telescope and some stuff

2060
01:26:02,310 --> 01:26:00,480
and one of the things i wanted to do was

2061
01:26:04,390 --> 01:26:02,320
start an organization for kids and it

2062
01:26:05,990 --> 01:26:04,400
was at the time called

2063
01:26:07,350 --> 01:26:06,000
project stars

2064
01:26:10,149 --> 01:26:07,360
and i'm still working on it as a

2065
01:26:13,030 --> 01:26:10,159
non-profit group and it's an acronym for

2066
01:26:15,590 --> 01:26:13,040
using stargazing to start

2067
01:26:17,830 --> 01:26:15,600
real space conversations because i think

2068
01:26:19,350 --> 01:26:17,840
that's important today uh even for our

2069
01:26:21,430 --> 01:26:19,360
children so i have done some sky

2070
01:26:22,470 --> 01:26:21,440
watching some things myself but i think

2071
01:26:24,390 --> 01:26:22,480
it's time

2072
01:26:26,470 --> 01:26:24,400
and we can get deep into it because

2073
01:26:27,990 --> 01:26:26,480
what's happening today in society i

2074
01:26:29,110 --> 01:26:28,000
think everybody needs to start preparing

2075
01:26:30,790 --> 01:26:29,120
their kids

2076
01:26:32,149 --> 01:26:30,800
uh with telescopes and stuff because

2077
01:26:34,470 --> 01:26:32,159
it's not about

2078
01:26:36,470 --> 01:26:34,480
them becoming astronauts and that's not

2079
01:26:39,430 --> 01:26:36,480
in studying astronomy they need to be

2080
01:26:40,870 --> 01:26:39,440
prepared for what's happening and be

2081
01:26:42,310 --> 01:26:40,880
subconsciously knowing that there's

2082
01:26:44,229 --> 01:26:42,320
something else out there you got to get

2083
01:26:46,390 --> 01:26:44,239
that curiosity for your kid to look over

2084
01:26:49,350 --> 01:26:46,400
and say mom is there something else out

2085
01:26:51,189 --> 01:26:49,360
there dad so you can prepare them for

2086
01:26:52,390 --> 01:26:51,199
what is coming and what is happening and

2087
01:26:53,669 --> 01:26:52,400
that is

2088
01:26:55,189 --> 01:26:53,679
when they grow up they're going to be

2089
01:26:56,390 --> 01:26:55,199
going to space to go to work they're

2090
01:26:57,750 --> 01:26:56,400
going to look out that window they're

2091
01:26:59,590 --> 01:26:57,760
going to see some things and if you

2092
01:27:01,189 --> 01:26:59,600
don't prepare them now what's going to

2093
01:27:02,470 --> 01:27:01,199
happen you know that's just one of my

2094
01:27:06,390 --> 01:27:02,480
opinions

2095
01:27:08,229 --> 01:27:06,400
from the age of 12 until now um have you

2096
01:27:09,189 --> 01:27:08,239
had another sighting

2097
01:27:20,149 --> 01:27:09,199
no

2098
01:27:21,110 --> 01:27:20,159
as vivid as that night which was that is

2099
01:27:37,350 --> 01:27:21,120
a

2100
01:27:40,229 --> 01:27:37,360
you know

2101
01:27:41,910 --> 01:27:40,239
why do you think that is

2102
01:27:44,229 --> 01:27:41,920
well you mean not seeing anything else

2103
01:27:46,149 --> 01:27:44,239
yeah yeah well i don't i

2104
01:27:48,070 --> 01:27:46,159
i don't go looking up i tell people all

2105
01:27:49,990 --> 01:27:48,080
the time you know they why i don't see a

2106
01:27:52,070 --> 01:27:50,000
ufo well you know who who walks around

2107
01:27:54,310 --> 01:27:52,080
looking up but if you do the

2108
01:27:57,750 --> 01:27:54,320
possibilities of seeing something is

2109
01:27:59,110 --> 01:27:57,760
there i think that once you believe uh

2110
01:28:01,510 --> 01:27:59,120
that you know

2111
01:28:03,990 --> 01:28:01,520
now don't get me wrong uh and you're

2112
01:28:06,709 --> 01:28:04,000
touching on an area that

2113
01:28:08,950 --> 01:28:06,719
as an investigator sometimes that you

2114
01:28:11,270 --> 01:28:08,960
talk to someone on the phone or you

2115
01:28:12,229 --> 01:28:11,280
gonna visit this witness and they start

2116
01:28:15,510 --> 01:28:12,239
saying

2117
01:28:18,229 --> 01:28:15,520
i see them all the time

2118
01:28:19,750 --> 01:28:18,239
and you got to really take a time to get

2119
01:28:22,310 --> 01:28:19,760
to know this witness because sometimes

2120
01:28:24,950 --> 01:28:22,320
there's a there's a thing within us that

2121
01:28:26,149 --> 01:28:24,960
we want to be special we want to be

2122
01:28:28,310 --> 01:28:26,159
different

2123
01:28:30,470 --> 01:28:28,320
and it's just embedded in us as humans

2124
01:28:33,350 --> 01:28:30,480
and sometimes that comes out that

2125
01:28:35,350 --> 01:28:33,360
i see them all the time and and

2126
01:28:37,110 --> 01:28:35,360
then you go deep well somebody's tapping

2127
01:28:39,990 --> 01:28:37,120
my phone all the time so

2128
01:28:42,950 --> 01:28:40,000
to go from do i see them all the time

2129
01:28:45,110 --> 01:28:42,960
i'm special to i'm losing my mind behind

2130
01:28:47,590 --> 01:28:45,120
this and that's people can get

2131
01:28:49,669 --> 01:28:47,600
there's a lot of gray area with that so

2132
01:28:51,590 --> 01:28:49,679
um i'm not discounting people who see

2133
01:28:54,229 --> 01:28:51,600
them all the time jimmy but i think for

2134
01:28:56,870 --> 01:28:54,239
me no i saw that once and that was it

2135
01:29:00,070 --> 01:28:56,880
and i think that was enough to believe

2136
01:29:02,550 --> 01:29:00,080
uh but i'm not sitting here

2137
01:29:03,990 --> 01:29:02,560
i've been to a few ce5 experiences and

2138
01:29:06,709 --> 01:29:04,000
things where they can summon these

2139
01:29:09,110 --> 01:29:06,719
things up so i've experienced that

2140
01:29:10,390 --> 01:29:09,120
but again i have not just you know been

2141
01:29:13,430 --> 01:29:10,400
out there and going man there's another

2142
01:29:15,430 --> 01:29:13,440
one there's another one although uh to

2143
01:29:17,990 --> 01:29:15,440
to chime this off here

2144
01:29:21,270 --> 01:29:18,000
there has been some type of said within

2145
01:29:23,030 --> 01:29:21,280
this ufology community that once you see

2146
01:29:24,550 --> 01:29:23,040
them it's like

2147
01:29:26,229 --> 01:29:24,560
you know there's some other kind of

2148
01:29:27,270 --> 01:29:26,239
higher consciousness that you add that

2149
01:29:29,990 --> 01:29:27,280
you're going to start seeing them all

2150
01:29:31,110 --> 01:29:30,000
the time right i hear that a lot too

2151
01:29:33,270 --> 01:29:31,120
the uh

2152
01:29:35,669 --> 01:29:33,280
the sightings that i've had the three

2153
01:29:37,270 --> 01:29:35,679
four five i didn't ask you so you okay

2154
01:29:40,950 --> 01:29:37,280
see now i'm sitting here talking about

2155
01:29:45,590 --> 01:29:42,870
no no no um

2156
01:29:49,030 --> 01:29:45,600
kicked off the radio now

2157
01:29:51,350 --> 01:29:49,040
is is is they all caught me by surprise

2158
01:29:55,990 --> 01:29:51,360
okay i wasn't expecting it i wasn't

2159
01:29:57,990 --> 01:29:56,000
looking for it you know and and uh wow

2160
01:30:02,629 --> 01:29:58,000
my uh acoustic

2161
01:30:05,030 --> 01:30:02,639
uh foam on the ceiling just moved on me

2162
01:30:07,590 --> 01:30:05,040
okay just as i said that i i saw the

2163
01:30:08,950 --> 01:30:07,600
little oh man that was kind of weird is

2164
01:30:10,070 --> 01:30:08,960
is that we gotta we gotta get some

2165
01:30:11,669 --> 01:30:10,080
evidence here

2166
01:30:13,669 --> 01:30:11,679
make sure that you remember i just said

2167
01:30:16,310 --> 01:30:13,679
to people this goes to a whole different

2168
01:30:18,070 --> 01:30:16,320
level man man man here i'll take a

2169
01:30:21,750 --> 01:30:18,080
picture i'll send it to you right now

2170
01:30:24,709 --> 01:30:21,760
this is this is this just popped off

2171
01:30:26,950 --> 01:30:24,719
right now come on come on come on

2172
01:30:29,430 --> 01:30:26,960
right see audience this is how you get

2173
01:30:31,910 --> 01:30:29,440
deep into these investigations yeah yeah

2174
01:30:33,669 --> 01:30:31,920
yeah that's got to get evidence that's

2175
01:30:36,229 --> 01:30:33,679
great see look

2176
01:30:39,110 --> 01:30:36,239
look look that just happened right there

2177
01:30:41,110 --> 01:30:39,120
oh you're being watched okay right there

2178
01:30:42,709 --> 01:30:41,120
um

2179
01:30:44,709 --> 01:30:42,719
all of them caught me by surprise i

2180
01:30:46,390 --> 01:30:44,719
wasn't expecting it i wasn't looking for

2181
01:30:48,550 --> 01:30:46,400
it let's take our break right here this

2182
01:30:51,030 --> 01:30:48,560
is fade to black our guest tonight

2183
01:30:53,189 --> 01:30:51,040
roderick martin this is fade to black

2184
01:30:54,870 --> 01:30:53,199
and the nx

2185
01:30:56,629 --> 01:30:54,880
and game changer network cameras jimmy

2186
01:31:00,390 --> 01:30:56,639
church marth roderick when we come back

2187
01:31:06,220 --> 01:31:00,400
after this short break stay with us

2188
01:31:06,230 --> 01:31:16,790
[Music]

2189
01:31:22,090 --> 01:31:19,910
way out here we listen to jimmy church

2190
01:31:24,709 --> 01:31:22,100
you're listening to fade to black

2191
01:31:26,870 --> 01:31:24,719
[Applause]

2192
01:31:28,390 --> 01:31:26,880
you're listening to jimmy church and

2193
01:31:33,450 --> 01:31:28,400
fade to black

2194
01:31:33,460 --> 01:31:45,270
[Applause]

2195
01:31:49,830 --> 01:31:47,750
this is jimmy church jason martell's

2196
01:31:52,629 --> 01:31:49,840
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2197
01:31:54,629 --> 01:31:52,639
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2198
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2199
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when their gods visited them they never

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you are listening to fate to black with

2260
01:34:43,750 --> 01:34:41,990
hi

2261
01:34:46,470 --> 01:34:43,760
i'm reece vance you're listening to

2262
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jimmy church this is revolution

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[Music]

2266
01:35:38,790 --> 01:35:37,109
welcome back fade to black i am your

2267
01:35:40,790 --> 01:35:38,800
host jimmy church tonight

2268
01:35:43,189 --> 01:35:40,800
roderick martin tomorrow night maureen

2269
01:35:45,750 --> 01:35:43,199
st germain is with us

2270
01:35:47,189 --> 01:35:45,760
wednesday night richard dolan thursday

2271
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night's another fader night with open

2272
01:35:50,070 --> 01:35:48,880
lines all night long

2273
01:35:52,550 --> 01:35:50,080
and uh

2274
01:35:55,189 --> 01:35:52,560
now roderick how do you i want to talk

2275
01:35:57,109 --> 01:35:55,199
about mufon for a second how do you

2276
01:36:01,109 --> 01:35:57,119
approach

2277
01:36:02,550 --> 01:36:01,119
your in in investigations and and the

2278
01:36:05,270 --> 01:36:02,560
state of texas

2279
01:36:06,709 --> 01:36:05,280
has just about as many ufo sightings as

2280
01:36:08,229 --> 01:36:06,719
anywhere else in the country you've got

2281
01:36:10,870 --> 01:36:08,239
your fair share

2282
01:36:12,470 --> 01:36:10,880
um uh so how do you approach your

2283
01:36:14,550 --> 01:36:12,480
investigations and

2284
01:36:16,229 --> 01:36:14,560
in the specific cases uh we'll talk

2285
01:36:17,750 --> 01:36:16,239
about in a second but how do you

2286
01:36:19,270 --> 01:36:17,760
approach it

2287
01:36:21,910 --> 01:36:19,280
well the first thing

2288
01:36:25,109 --> 01:36:21,920
uh when a report or our case i'm sorry

2289
01:36:28,550 --> 01:36:25,119
is assigned to us depending on the case

2290
01:36:29,830 --> 01:36:28,560
code we we have 24 hours 48 hours 72

2291
01:36:32,149 --> 01:36:29,840
hours to

2292
01:36:33,669 --> 01:36:32,159
uh open the case and make contact you

2293
01:36:35,910 --> 01:36:33,679
know with the witness because as

2294
01:36:38,070 --> 01:36:35,920
everyone know

2295
01:36:41,030 --> 01:36:38,080
if if it's something recent you know the

2296
01:36:42,870 --> 01:36:41,040
memory begins to fade to black

2297
01:36:44,629 --> 01:36:42,880
over time right

2298
01:36:48,390 --> 01:36:44,639
i did good i just infused that that was

2299
01:36:50,070 --> 01:36:48,400
nice yeah yeah yeah and so uh and and so

2300
01:36:52,870 --> 01:36:50,080
at this point you know you're gonna

2301
01:36:55,270 --> 01:36:52,880
contact the witness and and but then

2302
01:36:56,950 --> 01:36:55,280
you're going to check um you know the

2303
01:36:58,629 --> 01:36:56,960
evidence that that's been submitted

2304
01:37:00,790 --> 01:36:58,639
whether it's a video

2305
01:37:02,550 --> 01:37:00,800
whether it's a photo

2306
01:37:03,990 --> 01:37:02,560
where you know

2307
01:37:06,229 --> 01:37:04,000
wherever the

2308
01:37:09,830 --> 01:37:06,239
incident happened you know as as the

2309
01:37:13,109 --> 01:37:09,840
witness will enter into the cms as much

2310
01:37:14,950 --> 01:37:13,119
data as possible and and so you know so

2311
01:37:16,229 --> 01:37:14,960
you want to start a starting point is

2312
01:37:19,270 --> 01:37:16,239
going to be

2313
01:37:21,030 --> 01:37:19,280
um analyzing the evidence first you know

2314
01:37:23,189 --> 01:37:21,040
that's what i do you know some other

2315
01:37:24,229 --> 01:37:23,199
investigators can probably go through

2316
01:37:27,189 --> 01:37:24,239
because the first thing i'm going to do

2317
01:37:29,510 --> 01:37:27,199
is analyze this photo or video

2318
01:37:31,750 --> 01:37:29,520
i'm going to check the metadata

2319
01:37:32,629 --> 01:37:31,760
because a lot of people who turns in

2320
01:37:34,629 --> 01:37:32,639
these

2321
01:37:36,790 --> 01:37:34,639
things don't know that we can sit here

2322
01:37:38,709 --> 01:37:36,800
and look into this photo that you sent

2323
01:37:40,629 --> 01:37:38,719
me that you took yesterday that you

2324
01:37:41,750 --> 01:37:40,639
pulled it off facebook you know six

2325
01:37:44,390 --> 01:37:41,760
months ago

2326
01:37:46,310 --> 01:37:44,400
or you you know somebody this thing has

2327
01:37:49,430 --> 01:37:46,320
metadata three years ago it's not

2328
01:37:50,709 --> 01:37:49,440
current you know and now ultimately we

2329
01:37:52,470 --> 01:37:50,719
do not

2330
01:37:54,470 --> 01:37:52,480
tell the witness hey you gave us some

2331
01:37:56,310 --> 01:37:54,480
fake photos we just noted in the file so

2332
01:37:57,750 --> 01:37:56,320
all the other investigators sees it

2333
01:37:59,189 --> 01:37:57,760
right

2334
01:38:00,390 --> 01:37:59,199
because all of this stuff is done

2335
01:38:02,950 --> 01:38:00,400
internally

2336
01:38:04,870 --> 01:38:02,960
but once you know we gotta go the photo

2337
01:38:08,149 --> 01:38:04,880
is authentic and then

2338
01:38:10,070 --> 01:38:08,159
uh it's time to kind of start checking

2339
01:38:11,270 --> 01:38:10,080
you know your weather underground

2340
01:38:12,950 --> 01:38:11,280
weather

2341
01:38:14,709 --> 01:38:12,960
and because that goes back to what you

2342
01:38:16,790 --> 01:38:14,719
asked me earlier when you said roderick

2343
01:38:19,430 --> 01:38:16,800
you know how far was it how tall you

2344
01:38:21,990 --> 01:38:19,440
know how far up was it uh because in any

2345
01:38:24,149 --> 01:38:22,000
term if if someone says hey this thing's

2346
01:38:26,070 --> 01:38:24,159
was 30 000 you know

2347
01:38:27,750 --> 01:38:26,080
uh you know feet up or a hundred

2348
01:38:29,750 --> 01:38:27,760
thousand feet up in the sky and i need

2349
01:38:31,510 --> 01:38:29,760
to start and you saw this

2350
01:38:34,070 --> 01:38:31,520
you know and i'm going to cleverly enter

2351
01:38:36,390 --> 01:38:34,080
into you know do you wear glasses

2352
01:38:37,830 --> 01:38:36,400
do you you know is it microscope you

2353
01:38:39,430 --> 01:38:37,840
know what's on this how could you have

2354
01:38:41,750 --> 01:38:39,440
seen this or

2355
01:38:43,990 --> 01:38:41,760
you you know you told me you saw it at 9

2356
01:38:45,990 --> 01:38:44,000
30 and you saw it clear as a bell and i

2357
01:38:48,229 --> 01:38:46,000
pull up the weather and i see it was

2358
01:38:50,470 --> 01:38:48,239
cloudy and we can look up satellites

2359
01:38:52,790 --> 01:38:50,480
anywhere from back history you know we

2360
01:38:55,430 --> 01:38:52,800
can look up weather reports the day

2361
01:38:56,870 --> 01:38:55,440
weather direction wind speeds and so i

2362
01:38:59,270 --> 01:38:56,880
can turn around and say okay wait a

2363
01:39:01,669 --> 01:38:59,280
minute they couldn't have solved this

2364
01:39:04,070 --> 01:39:01,679
because it was a cloudy day you know

2365
01:39:06,390 --> 01:39:04,080
um but then again if it passes through

2366
01:39:08,470 --> 01:39:06,400
it's a go so we're we're moving further

2367
01:39:11,270 --> 01:39:08,480
along in this thing and then a witness

2368
01:39:13,350 --> 01:39:11,280
is the last person that i will contact

2369
01:39:14,950 --> 01:39:13,360
and there's other proprietary things

2370
01:39:16,950 --> 01:39:14,960
that we check into

2371
01:39:19,189 --> 01:39:16,960
uh but i think at the end of the day you

2372
01:39:22,310 --> 01:39:19,199
know you as an investigator your

2373
01:39:24,149 --> 01:39:22,320
curiosity can go as far as they go

2374
01:39:26,709 --> 01:39:24,159
now i've done enough of these that some

2375
01:39:28,390 --> 01:39:26,719
cases and some photos resemble things

2376
01:39:29,669 --> 01:39:28,400
that you've seen before

2377
01:39:32,870 --> 01:39:29,679
especially when it comes down these

2378
01:39:34,950 --> 01:39:32,880
chinese lanterns and there's a specific

2379
01:39:37,030 --> 01:39:34,960
marking of the phones that they do with

2380
01:39:39,270 --> 01:39:37,040
this little red streak i don't know why

2381
01:39:40,950 --> 01:39:39,280
but it just does

2382
01:39:42,550 --> 01:39:40,960
that instantly i can look at the photo

2383
01:39:45,109 --> 01:39:42,560
that's a chinese lantern you know

2384
01:39:47,109 --> 01:39:45,119
because people mistake those drones now

2385
01:39:49,189 --> 01:39:47,119
that drones can be flown at night

2386
01:39:51,510 --> 01:39:49,199
different places you know and

2387
01:39:52,950 --> 01:39:51,520
uh and you never know somebody tamper

2388
01:39:54,390 --> 01:39:52,960
with these things and put a couple of

2389
01:39:55,910 --> 01:39:54,400
lights on them or

2390
01:39:58,709 --> 01:39:55,920
don't you know it's just so many

2391
01:40:00,390 --> 01:39:58,719
variables but at the end of the day

2392
01:40:02,390 --> 01:40:00,400
you know jimmy you turn around and you

2393
01:40:03,990 --> 01:40:02,400
talk to the witness and this is where

2394
01:40:05,669 --> 01:40:04,000
the fun parts start because now you're

2395
01:40:08,149 --> 01:40:05,679
getting somebody's perspective you're

2396
01:40:09,510 --> 01:40:08,159
getting their emotions and how they felt

2397
01:40:12,550 --> 01:40:09,520
about it because you need to get all of

2398
01:40:15,430 --> 01:40:12,560
this and and then you have to cleverly

2399
01:40:16,550 --> 01:40:15,440
at some point um ask them the question

2400
01:40:18,070 --> 01:40:16,560
have you been drinking where are you

2401
01:40:20,149 --> 01:40:18,080
smoking or are you

2402
01:40:22,470 --> 01:40:20,159
and some people will say yeah ryder god

2403
01:40:24,149 --> 01:40:22,480
was drinking and

2404
01:40:25,990 --> 01:40:24,159
i write it down in the file they was

2405
01:40:28,149 --> 01:40:26,000
drinking but i don't stop there because

2406
01:40:30,390 --> 01:40:28,159
i may say hey you know

2407
01:40:32,390 --> 01:40:30,400
uh what were you drinking you know and

2408
01:40:35,030 --> 01:40:32,400
now depending on whether the wine cooler

2409
01:40:37,510 --> 01:40:35,040
versus some vodka you know it's in this

2410
01:40:39,590 --> 01:40:37,520
is going to taint my decision on what's

2411
01:40:41,189 --> 01:40:39,600
really happening to this blur now that

2412
01:40:43,590 --> 01:40:41,199
they saw right

2413
01:40:45,430 --> 01:40:43,600
and if it goes even deeper

2414
01:40:47,109 --> 01:40:45,440
people will tend to tell you i was only

2415
01:40:49,350 --> 01:40:47,119
drinking a little bit this happens all

2416
01:40:51,510 --> 01:40:49,360
the time and and i have to then

2417
01:40:53,350 --> 01:40:51,520
you know in a rightfully way without

2418
01:40:54,790 --> 01:40:53,360
taking the witness off and say well

2419
01:40:56,870 --> 01:40:54,800
what's a little bit

2420
01:40:58,550 --> 01:40:56,880
and you find out it's a keg

2421
01:41:00,470 --> 01:40:58,560
to them could they usually drink three

2422
01:41:02,629 --> 01:41:00,480
kegs you know i'm just using some humor

2423
01:41:05,990 --> 01:41:02,639
dialogue but the whole point is that you

2424
01:41:08,709 --> 01:41:06,000
have to then because if the witness is

2425
01:41:09,990 --> 01:41:08,719
not credible all that you saw as i went

2426
01:41:11,430 --> 01:41:10,000
out the window i don't give a during

2427
01:41:13,590 --> 01:41:11,440
what the photo looks like it could be

2428
01:41:15,750 --> 01:41:13,600
e.t himself but if you get down to the

2429
01:41:17,109 --> 01:41:15,760
point this witness is off-center

2430
01:41:20,310 --> 01:41:17,119
you gotta

2431
01:41:21,990 --> 01:41:20,320
because how did this come about what's

2432
01:41:24,310 --> 01:41:22,000
coming about now don't get me wrong if

2433
01:41:26,550 --> 01:41:24,320
you get some authentic stuff and you go

2434
01:41:28,390 --> 01:41:26,560
and you backtrack and you get the 911

2435
01:41:29,750 --> 01:41:28,400
officer or you call and get some stuff

2436
01:41:31,830 --> 01:41:29,760
from the paper or something was

2437
01:41:33,750 --> 01:41:31,840
published and it was more because we're

2438
01:41:35,430 --> 01:41:33,760
gonna check and see

2439
01:41:38,790 --> 01:41:35,440
if there's more

2440
01:41:41,430 --> 01:41:38,800
uh reportings in that area you know or

2441
01:41:43,270 --> 01:41:41,440
or or i'm gonna go through you know if

2442
01:41:44,310 --> 01:41:43,280
it's real you know prominent i'm gonna

2443
01:41:46,149 --> 01:41:44,320
go through

2444
01:41:47,990 --> 01:41:46,159
outside sources just to kind of see if

2445
01:41:50,629 --> 01:41:48,000
there's other people who did not call

2446
01:41:52,950 --> 01:41:50,639
mufon right so you're going to go to it

2447
01:41:55,430 --> 01:41:52,960
be as thorough as you can

2448
01:41:57,270 --> 01:41:55,440
uh before you render your decision and

2449
01:41:59,189 --> 01:41:57,280
so um

2450
01:42:01,750 --> 01:41:59,199
not all things people ask me all the

2451
01:42:03,830 --> 01:42:01,760
time you know are ufos real and my

2452
01:42:06,310 --> 01:42:03,840
question or my answer to that jimmy i

2453
01:42:08,550 --> 01:42:06,320
tell them anything flying around that we

2454
01:42:10,950 --> 01:42:08,560
don't know what it is is a ufo

2455
01:42:14,790 --> 01:42:10,960
and not all ufos are driven by aliens

2456
01:42:17,990 --> 01:42:14,800
however aliens use ufos to get around

2457
01:42:20,390 --> 01:42:18,000
right right what what what uh

2458
01:42:21,750 --> 01:42:20,400
what kind of sightings are happening

2459
01:42:23,990 --> 01:42:21,760
more

2460
01:42:26,709 --> 01:42:24,000
in texas these days

2461
01:42:29,189 --> 01:42:26,719
i think not just texas but

2462
01:42:31,990 --> 01:42:29,199
we tend to see more

2463
01:42:33,510 --> 01:42:32,000
tic tac type things um and and you know

2464
01:42:35,669 --> 01:42:33,520
and i think that's kind of

2465
01:42:37,270 --> 01:42:35,679
a great thing because when i go back

2466
01:42:39,990 --> 01:42:37,280
when i was 12 years old and i kind of

2467
01:42:43,030 --> 01:42:40,000
described this thing as a saucer type

2468
01:42:44,629 --> 01:42:43,040
and now we see more tic tac tics and and

2469
01:42:46,149 --> 01:42:44,639
you think about that

2470
01:42:48,550 --> 01:42:46,159
you think about anything else i'm not

2471
01:42:50,950 --> 01:42:48,560
driving a car that i drove in 1980

2472
01:42:53,350 --> 01:42:50,960
either right technology so why would

2473
01:42:54,870 --> 01:42:53,360
nate technology improve they're not

2474
01:42:56,550 --> 01:42:54,880
driving around and flying saucers no

2475
01:42:58,550 --> 01:42:56,560
more that they drove you know in in

2476
01:43:00,149 --> 01:42:58,560
roswell areas so we don't get flying

2477
01:43:02,310 --> 01:43:00,159
saucer sightings

2478
01:43:04,070 --> 01:43:02,320
we get different anomalies now tick

2479
01:43:06,310 --> 01:43:04,080
tocks and orbs and

2480
01:43:08,550 --> 01:43:06,320
so they was already advancing further

2481
01:43:11,270 --> 01:43:08,560
than us anyway so why wouldn't they have

2482
01:43:14,709 --> 01:43:11,280
now advanced in their technology so

2483
01:43:15,830 --> 01:43:14,719
orbs orbs lights

2484
01:43:18,070 --> 01:43:15,840
and then

2485
01:43:21,189 --> 01:43:18,080
you're going to get your cylinder type

2486
01:43:22,790 --> 01:43:21,199
uh you know ufo recordings i haven't

2487
01:43:28,149 --> 01:43:22,800
seen

2488
01:43:29,350 --> 01:43:28,159
the cigar cylinder

2489
01:43:31,430 --> 01:43:29,360
yet

2490
01:43:33,990 --> 01:43:31,440
i've seen strange stuff but i haven't

2491
01:43:37,669 --> 01:43:34,000
see i've always tried to

2492
01:43:38,390 --> 01:43:37,679
uh uh figure that out in my mind's eye

2493
01:43:41,189 --> 01:43:38,400
uh

2494
01:43:43,270 --> 01:43:41,199
what that would be and and how

2495
01:43:45,109 --> 01:43:43,280
it would be flying

2496
01:43:46,870 --> 01:43:45,119
you know i mean you know through the sky

2497
01:43:48,790 --> 01:43:46,880
what what it would look like i haven't i

2498
01:43:51,590 --> 01:43:48,800
haven't had that sighting yet

2499
01:43:54,390 --> 01:43:51,600
well we we there there was a case not

2500
01:43:56,470 --> 01:43:54,400
long ago homo fund that came through our

2501
01:43:58,790 --> 01:43:56,480
state director uh

2502
01:43:59,910 --> 01:43:58,800
reopened it or got it uh through the

2503
01:44:02,149 --> 01:43:59,920
pipeline

2504
01:44:04,390 --> 01:44:02,159
and it was happening here in the fort

2505
01:44:07,910 --> 01:44:04,400
worth dallas fort worth area and it was

2506
01:44:08,870 --> 01:44:07,920
a a cylinder type and we all when you

2507
01:44:11,189 --> 01:44:08,880
get a

2508
01:44:13,189 --> 01:44:11,199
real serious case like that in the

2509
01:44:15,430 --> 01:44:13,199
photographs the evidence

2510
01:44:17,590 --> 01:44:15,440
we'll tend to as a collective group

2511
01:44:19,590 --> 01:44:17,600
he'll get all the investigators in on

2512
01:44:21,990 --> 01:44:19,600
this one thing because we're gonna

2513
01:44:23,590 --> 01:44:22,000
and just so happened it was a cylinder

2514
01:44:25,590 --> 01:44:23,600
tic tac type thing here in the fort

2515
01:44:27,990 --> 01:44:25,600
worth area and it was maybe a couple of

2516
01:44:30,790 --> 01:44:28,000
months ago uh we even had a landing in

2517
01:44:32,149 --> 01:44:30,800
mckinney dallas here actual ufo landing

2518
01:44:33,590 --> 01:44:32,159
about a year a couple of years back i

2519
01:44:34,950 --> 01:44:33,600
think it was in one of the magazines

2520
01:44:36,470 --> 01:44:34,960
that we had but

2521
01:44:38,709 --> 01:44:36,480
um

2522
01:44:40,870 --> 01:44:38,719
but at the end of the day you know it's

2523
01:44:42,070 --> 01:44:40,880
the technology that they're using that's

2524
01:44:44,070 --> 01:44:42,080
changing

2525
01:44:46,310 --> 01:44:44,080
and and

2526
01:44:48,310 --> 01:44:46,320
we don't know uh

2527
01:44:50,470 --> 01:44:48,320
10 years from now what these things are

2528
01:44:53,189 --> 01:44:50,480
going to look like and i think that's

2529
01:44:55,350 --> 01:44:53,199
what has baffled a lot of people jimmy

2530
01:44:57,350 --> 01:44:55,360
now in this because we tend to think

2531
01:44:59,990 --> 01:44:57,360
about flying saucers and now we're

2532
01:45:02,149 --> 01:45:00,000
seeing these tic tacs and orbs and and

2533
01:45:04,709 --> 01:45:02,159
of course now we got these things moving

2534
01:45:06,550 --> 01:45:04,719
around with no propulsion and you know

2535
01:45:08,149 --> 01:45:06,560
all of these uh

2536
01:45:09,830 --> 01:45:08,159
different anomalies and we just can't

2537
01:45:11,990 --> 01:45:09,840
really explain but i just tell people

2538
01:45:13,830 --> 01:45:12,000
just think about it they are advancing

2539
01:45:15,270 --> 01:45:13,840
just as much as we are

2540
01:45:17,910 --> 01:45:15,280
and eventually they're going to use

2541
01:45:21,350 --> 01:45:17,920
different things to observe this world

2542
01:45:23,510 --> 01:45:21,360
of hours this um this cylinder sighting

2543
01:45:26,149 --> 01:45:23,520
in in dallas fort worth

2544
01:45:27,990 --> 01:45:26,159
was there uh was there a photograph to

2545
01:45:30,229 --> 01:45:28,000
to go along with it yeah we have a

2546
01:45:32,629 --> 01:45:30,239
photograph and there was some video it's

2547
01:45:34,310 --> 01:45:32,639
still an investigation now so once we

2548
01:45:36,870 --> 01:45:34,320
have those things we really don't give

2549
01:45:38,709 --> 01:45:36,880
out we can't by mufon standards give out

2550
01:45:40,709 --> 01:45:38,719
all the details of that but when the

2551
01:45:43,109 --> 01:45:40,719
case is closed i can actually do a video

2552
01:45:45,109 --> 01:45:43,119
on some things on it i plan on it but

2553
01:45:47,270 --> 01:45:45,119
there was a video uh god taking some

2554
01:45:49,270 --> 01:45:47,280
video uh so when the photo was actually

2555
01:45:51,669 --> 01:45:49,280
videos of this thing zipping through the

2556
01:45:53,350 --> 01:45:51,679
sky now and and

2557
01:45:54,149 --> 01:45:53,360
what uh

2558
01:45:56,950 --> 01:45:54,159
uh

2559
01:45:59,270 --> 01:45:56,960
what was what was in the video

2560
01:46:02,390 --> 01:45:59,280
uh basically it was a guy with his cell

2561
01:46:04,709 --> 01:46:02,400
phone uh but this was a little he didn't

2562
01:46:05,669 --> 01:46:04,719
zoom at optical zoom like most people do

2563
01:46:07,350 --> 01:46:05,679
which

2564
01:46:09,189 --> 01:46:07,360
what you know contributes to the

2565
01:46:11,669 --> 01:46:09,199
blurriness why we always see these

2566
01:46:14,149 --> 01:46:11,679
blurry photos people want to know that's

2567
01:46:15,910 --> 01:46:14,159
because most people zoom that cell phone

2568
01:46:17,830 --> 01:46:15,920
in which is not designed to be looking

2569
01:46:19,590 --> 01:46:17,840
at something you know thousands of feet

2570
01:46:22,070 --> 01:46:19,600
in the sky and so then when we try to

2571
01:46:23,830 --> 01:46:22,080
blow it up it's even more pixelated just

2572
01:46:26,390 --> 01:46:23,840
so happens he didn't do this because it

2573
01:46:29,270 --> 01:46:26,400
was moving as quick and so we got a real

2574
01:46:31,750 --> 01:46:29,280
good view of it when we zoomed in on it

2575
01:46:34,310 --> 01:46:31,760
see because it wasn't already pre-zoomed

2576
01:46:36,149 --> 01:46:34,320
um and it was just kind of a silver

2577
01:46:37,109 --> 01:46:36,159
uh metallic looking

2578
01:46:39,109 --> 01:46:37,119
um

2579
01:46:40,950 --> 01:46:39,119
you know they call it tic tac now but it

2580
01:46:44,470 --> 01:46:40,960
was more of a uh

2581
01:46:46,470 --> 01:46:44,480
a spear type you know uh shaped object

2582
01:46:48,629 --> 01:46:46,480
and it was uh silver

2583
01:46:49,830 --> 01:46:48,639
i would say silver whitish you know blue

2584
01:46:51,669 --> 01:46:49,840
white you know because you can kind of

2585
01:46:53,430 --> 01:46:51,679
see it kind of has this

2586
01:46:54,950 --> 01:46:53,440
camouflage to the sky a little bit so it

2587
01:46:56,470 --> 01:46:54,960
could have been sun hitting it but it

2588
01:46:58,149 --> 01:46:56,480
was definitely

2589
01:47:00,550 --> 01:46:58,159
clear enough that would say okay maybe

2590
01:47:03,030 --> 01:47:00,560
this is silver white is or whatever

2591
01:47:05,510 --> 01:47:03,040
moving through now what was your uh

2592
01:47:07,350 --> 01:47:05,520
reaction versus the eyewitness testimony

2593
01:47:09,189 --> 01:47:07,360
but now you're looking at a video to

2594
01:47:11,430 --> 01:47:09,199
corroborate

2595
01:47:12,950 --> 01:47:11,440
with the witness saw what went through

2596
01:47:16,310 --> 01:47:12,960
your mind when you when you saw the

2597
01:47:17,430 --> 01:47:16,320
video well for me because the area that

2598
01:47:19,669 --> 01:47:17,440
was in

2599
01:47:22,390 --> 01:47:19,679
in the dallas fort worth area

2600
01:47:24,390 --> 01:47:22,400
because of being in the sky uh you know

2601
01:47:26,790 --> 01:47:24,400
we're near airports and and this is the

2602
01:47:28,390 --> 01:47:26,800
the most notorious places that things

2603
01:47:29,910 --> 01:47:28,400
are not supposed to fly around and you

2604
01:47:31,830 --> 01:47:29,920
can't even fly a drone in some of these

2605
01:47:33,910 --> 01:47:31,840
areas because they're just already coded

2606
01:47:35,830 --> 01:47:33,920
not to go up in the air right through

2607
01:47:37,510 --> 01:47:35,840
the gps coordinates so now i knew

2608
01:47:39,189 --> 01:47:37,520
whatever this was was flying without

2609
01:47:40,790 --> 01:47:39,199
restrictions right

2610
01:47:43,030 --> 01:47:40,800
um and

2611
01:47:45,030 --> 01:47:43,040
to to look at it and how it was just

2612
01:47:47,030 --> 01:47:45,040
zipping across and within the photo

2613
01:47:49,830 --> 01:47:47,040
there was no wings on this thing when we

2614
01:47:51,750 --> 01:47:49,840
you know there was no uh now they

2615
01:47:53,430 --> 01:47:51,760
couldn't see if there was windows or

2616
01:47:55,669 --> 01:47:53,440
nothing like that

2617
01:47:57,990 --> 01:47:55,679
but it was just kind of moving through

2618
01:48:00,070 --> 01:47:58,000
effortlessly and it just makes you

2619
01:48:02,070 --> 01:48:00,080
wonder why we're so

2620
01:48:04,870 --> 01:48:02,080
when i get into my shows or what a big

2621
01:48:06,070 --> 01:48:04,880
secret you know why is it a big secret

2622
01:48:06,870 --> 01:48:06,080
of these things but at the end of the

2623
01:48:09,830 --> 01:48:06,880
day

2624
01:48:12,229 --> 01:48:09,840
um this was a clear cut of an

2625
01:48:15,830 --> 01:48:12,239
unidentified flying object

2626
01:48:17,590 --> 01:48:15,840
that was pretty big in size probably 50

2627
01:48:19,990 --> 01:48:17,600
60 feet meters

2628
01:48:21,510 --> 01:48:20,000
you know and so this is not a drone this

2629
01:48:23,590 --> 01:48:21,520
is not something

2630
01:48:26,149 --> 01:48:23,600
uh and this thing was just and he you

2631
01:48:27,669 --> 01:48:26,159
know we he got about a good 10 15

2632
01:48:29,830 --> 01:48:27,679
seconds of this thing you know moving

2633
01:48:32,229 --> 01:48:29,840
across the sky pretty quick and uh yeah

2634
01:48:33,430 --> 01:48:32,239
that was my question how fast was it

2635
01:48:35,590 --> 01:48:33,440
moving

2636
01:48:38,229 --> 01:48:35,600
i didn't i didn't get the determination

2637
01:48:39,669 --> 01:48:38,239
of to say okay this is you know because

2638
01:48:40,629 --> 01:48:39,679
it's virtually

2639
01:48:42,550 --> 01:48:40,639
i don't

2640
01:48:43,590 --> 01:48:42,560
you know we can all estimate but i have

2641
01:48:45,109 --> 01:48:43,600
not

2642
01:48:47,750 --> 01:48:45,119
you know said okay this thing was moving

2643
01:48:50,870 --> 01:48:47,760
hundreds of miles an hour there's no way

2644
01:48:53,189 --> 01:48:50,880
but you you can see it that this is not

2645
01:48:55,590 --> 01:48:53,199
uh because of the fact there's no wings

2646
01:48:57,750 --> 01:48:55,600
there's no other components and there's

2647
01:48:59,669 --> 01:48:57,760
no propulsion and you're not seeing

2648
01:49:01,750 --> 01:48:59,679
you know nothing behind this thing you

2649
01:49:04,149 --> 01:49:01,760
know this is the anti-gravity whatever

2650
01:49:05,990 --> 01:49:04,159
it is and it's moving pretty sweet it

2651
01:49:06,870 --> 01:49:06,000
was just darting across so it just kind

2652
01:49:08,310 --> 01:49:06,880
of went

2653
01:49:10,070 --> 01:49:08,320
you know

2654
01:49:13,510 --> 01:49:10,080
now what about uh

2655
01:49:15,750 --> 01:49:13,520
uh we have uh uh tic tacs

2656
01:49:18,390 --> 01:49:15,760
and that'll be the same thing as a spear

2657
01:49:21,270 --> 01:49:18,400
and cylinder so well if we

2658
01:49:23,830 --> 01:49:21,280
uh you know we we talk about tic tacs

2659
01:49:26,229 --> 01:49:23,840
today almost like you know this is a new

2660
01:49:28,470 --> 01:49:26,239
thing and it's a modern phenomenon

2661
01:49:29,990 --> 01:49:28,480
but but tic tacs have have been around

2662
01:49:32,629 --> 01:49:30,000
for as long as

2663
01:49:33,990 --> 01:49:32,639
we've been seeing ufos right

2664
01:49:37,430 --> 01:49:34,000
well i

2665
01:49:39,910 --> 01:49:37,440
that goes back to what i said earlier um

2666
01:49:43,510 --> 01:49:39,920
the technology you know we're seeing

2667
01:49:45,990 --> 01:49:43,520
more tic tacs but you know um

2668
01:49:48,790 --> 01:49:46,000
everybody has a description of how these

2669
01:49:50,070 --> 01:49:48,800
ufos look and so and i encourage all of

2670
01:49:51,990 --> 01:49:50,080
the audience you know if you start

2671
01:49:53,030 --> 01:49:52,000
wanting to do some research go back and

2672
01:49:55,910 --> 01:49:53,040
look at

2673
01:49:57,589 --> 01:49:55,920
you know when these occurrences happen

2674
01:49:59,589 --> 01:49:57,599
when you see the older magazines

2675
01:50:01,669 --> 01:49:59,599
everybody saw flying saucers

2676
01:50:03,589 --> 01:50:01,679
then tic tacs or those type of things

2677
01:50:06,310 --> 01:50:03,599
start coming into play

2678
01:50:07,910 --> 01:50:06,320
you know a little later on after that so

2679
01:50:09,669 --> 01:50:07,920
they've been around but they're more

2680
01:50:11,510 --> 01:50:09,679
prominent now as though it's a more

2681
01:50:12,870 --> 01:50:11,520
common use

2682
01:50:13,910 --> 01:50:12,880
vehicle

2683
01:50:16,149 --> 01:50:13,920
you know for whatever the

2684
01:50:18,950 --> 01:50:16,159
extraterrestrials or whoever's using

2685
01:50:20,950 --> 01:50:18,960
them uh used you know of course this is

2686
01:50:22,390 --> 01:50:20,960
what the navy is getting at this is you

2687
01:50:25,270 --> 01:50:22,400
know some of the videos that they have

2688
01:50:27,109 --> 01:50:25,280
shown but it's definitely the items that

2689
01:50:29,030 --> 01:50:27,119
has been shown that are

2690
01:50:31,589 --> 01:50:29,040
transmedium you know that's going from

2691
01:50:33,109 --> 01:50:31,599
the space the air into the water for

2692
01:50:34,070 --> 01:50:33,119
some reason these tic tacs are really

2693
01:50:35,990 --> 01:50:34,080
good at

2694
01:50:40,629 --> 01:50:36,000
splashing right on in and keep going you

2695
01:50:43,510 --> 01:50:40,639
know so and uh how important is is mufon

2696
01:50:45,910 --> 01:50:43,520
uh not only for collecting data

2697
01:50:47,510 --> 01:50:45,920
but for disclosure and moving this

2698
01:50:50,390 --> 01:50:47,520
forward

2699
01:50:52,470 --> 01:50:50,400
i think uh you know mufon is

2700
01:50:54,470 --> 01:50:52,480
if you start thinking of

2701
01:50:56,790 --> 01:50:54,480
today's society you use the word

2702
01:50:59,109 --> 01:50:56,800
crowdsourcing these days right

2703
01:51:01,109 --> 01:50:59,119
and people use the that crowdsourcing is

2704
01:51:03,750 --> 01:51:01,119
a great way to start a business and it's

2705
01:51:06,070 --> 01:51:03,760
just another way of getting more people

2706
01:51:07,910 --> 01:51:06,080
involved into something that you're

2707
01:51:09,270 --> 01:51:07,920
believing and ultimately you can get

2708
01:51:10,550 --> 01:51:09,280
something off the ground so i look at

2709
01:51:13,910 --> 01:51:10,560
mufon

2710
01:51:16,390 --> 01:51:13,920
as a great crowd source of enthusiastic

2711
01:51:18,870 --> 01:51:16,400
people some skeptics

2712
01:51:20,550 --> 01:51:18,880
that comes together and

2713
01:51:21,350 --> 01:51:20,560
can able to

2714
01:51:22,790 --> 01:51:21,360
uh

2715
01:51:25,990 --> 01:51:22,800
really truly

2716
01:51:27,750 --> 01:51:26,000
uh expand the you know the investigation

2717
01:51:29,270 --> 01:51:27,760
stuff because not everything out there

2718
01:51:31,109 --> 01:51:29,280
as i said before

2719
01:51:32,709 --> 01:51:31,119
is a ufo so you got to sift through this

2720
01:51:34,870 --> 01:51:32,719
stuff you have to

2721
01:51:37,750 --> 01:51:34,880
and in order to find that needle in the

2722
01:51:41,510 --> 01:51:37,760
haystack uh because like i said i may do

2723
01:51:43,750 --> 01:51:41,520
five six cases and maybe one could be

2724
01:51:45,669 --> 01:51:43,760
unidentified right

2725
01:51:48,709 --> 01:51:45,679
and some people can go

2726
01:51:51,669 --> 01:51:48,719
30 cases and not so move on

2727
01:51:53,990 --> 01:51:51,679
uh when you think about but the most

2728
01:51:56,070 --> 01:51:54,000
fascinating part of the mufon is that

2729
01:51:57,669 --> 01:51:56,080
the caliber of people that's part of

2730
01:52:00,310 --> 01:51:57,679
this organization

2731
01:52:01,189 --> 01:52:00,320
i mean you have ex you know cia people

2732
01:52:05,270 --> 01:52:01,199
you got

2733
01:52:07,510 --> 01:52:05,280
people pilots

2734
01:52:10,070 --> 01:52:07,520
all the way down to you know everyday

2735
01:52:11,830 --> 01:52:10,080
people like myself who

2736
01:52:14,950 --> 01:52:11,840
says you know what you know i'm

2737
01:52:17,109 --> 01:52:14,960
intrigued but it's a level never playing

2738
01:52:18,870 --> 01:52:17,119
field when i say this and when i say

2739
01:52:21,350 --> 01:52:18,880
playing field is that they give all of

2740
01:52:22,629 --> 01:52:21,360
us the same resources to to become

2741
01:52:23,910 --> 01:52:22,639
investigators

2742
01:52:25,910 --> 01:52:23,920
and then you start learning little

2743
01:52:27,830 --> 01:52:25,920
tricks of the trade over time and as you

2744
01:52:30,310 --> 01:52:27,840
communicate with other people but

2745
01:52:31,910 --> 01:52:30,320
i think move fund is really important

2746
01:52:33,910 --> 01:52:31,920
the government tend to have thought they

2747
01:52:35,589 --> 01:52:33,920
were you know they've always been trying

2748
01:52:36,709 --> 01:52:35,599
to get into their databases right the

2749
01:52:37,510 --> 01:52:36,719
rumors

2750
01:52:39,510 --> 01:52:37,520
and

2751
01:52:43,189 --> 01:52:39,520
because they have one of the largest

2752
01:52:45,430 --> 01:52:43,199
databases of anomalies out there

2753
01:52:47,910 --> 01:52:45,440
and without mufun and several other of

2754
01:52:50,229 --> 01:52:47,920
these report organizations

2755
01:52:53,030 --> 01:52:50,239
we as the public will be in the dark

2756
01:52:55,350 --> 01:52:53,040
even worse because mufon through the

2757
01:52:57,030 --> 01:52:55,360
shows through access not a person who's

2758
01:52:58,470 --> 01:52:57,040
listening right now

2759
01:52:59,990 --> 01:52:58,480
uh if they have

2760
01:53:02,470 --> 01:53:00,000
the time and worth of they want to

2761
01:53:05,030 --> 01:53:02,480
become a member of mufon they get access

2762
01:53:07,109 --> 01:53:05,040
to the same cases now i get the backend

2763
01:53:09,189 --> 01:53:07,119
stuff that they can't see but they get

2764
01:53:11,270 --> 01:53:09,199
access to our database and they can see

2765
01:53:12,470 --> 01:53:11,280
these things and they can i used to do a

2766
01:53:13,910 --> 01:53:12,480
show on clubhouse where i have the

2767
01:53:15,030 --> 01:53:13,920
people come on stage and i said where

2768
01:53:16,870 --> 01:53:15,040
you live

2769
01:53:19,830 --> 01:53:16,880
and they would tell me where they live

2770
01:53:22,070 --> 01:53:19,840
uh and by state or i can do city and i

2771
01:53:24,070 --> 01:53:22,080
can tell them how many ufo sightings was

2772
01:53:26,390 --> 01:53:24,080
in their town this week and these people

2773
01:53:28,149 --> 01:53:26,400
be blown away what i mean yeah yeah you

2774
01:53:30,390 --> 01:53:28,159
hear about three or four and you know

2775
01:53:32,870 --> 01:53:30,400
without giving out specific details and

2776
01:53:35,510 --> 01:53:32,880
people will be surprised

2777
01:53:38,149 --> 01:53:35,520
of how many reportings are flying over

2778
01:53:38,950 --> 01:53:38,159
their homes every day how important is

2779
01:53:40,390 --> 01:53:38,960
it

2780
01:53:43,750 --> 01:53:40,400
uh

2781
01:53:45,430 --> 01:53:43,760
if you have seen something

2782
01:53:48,629 --> 01:53:45,440
how important is it

2783
01:53:51,350 --> 01:53:48,639
not to keep it to yourself right

2784
01:53:52,629 --> 01:53:51,360
to to jump on a computer get a hold of

2785
01:53:55,430 --> 01:53:52,639
mufon

2786
01:53:56,629 --> 01:53:55,440
and and report the case how important is

2787
01:53:59,350 --> 01:53:56,639
that

2788
01:54:02,149 --> 01:53:59,360
well let's put this in two categories of

2789
01:54:04,709 --> 01:54:02,159
importance number one we need the data

2790
01:54:06,870 --> 01:54:04,719
as people as a community

2791
01:54:09,510 --> 01:54:06,880
um because again there's things that's

2792
01:54:11,750 --> 01:54:09,520
happening and the government is not

2793
01:54:14,470 --> 01:54:11,760
going to tell us these things i call

2794
01:54:16,070 --> 01:54:14,480
them the big secret keepers right

2795
01:54:16,950 --> 01:54:16,080
they're not going to tell us these

2796
01:54:19,589 --> 01:54:16,960
things

2797
01:54:22,390 --> 01:54:19,599
on another flip side of that for your

2798
01:54:24,070 --> 01:54:22,400
own mental health you've got to say

2799
01:54:26,629 --> 01:54:24,080
something about these things

2800
01:54:28,870 --> 01:54:26,639
because i've found more people that i've

2801
01:54:31,030 --> 01:54:28,880
interviewed over 400

2802
01:54:33,589 --> 01:54:31,040
that have kept these anomalies within

2803
01:54:35,270 --> 01:54:33,599
themselves now all my shows i've created

2804
01:54:36,310 --> 01:54:35,280
that environment and even like this

2805
01:54:38,149 --> 01:54:36,320
wednesday we're going to do an

2806
01:54:39,750 --> 01:54:38,159
experience a segment where people can

2807
01:54:42,229 --> 01:54:39,760
share their experiences

2808
01:54:43,669 --> 01:54:42,239
and and the word is that i've created a

2809
01:54:46,229 --> 01:54:43,679
safe place because you will hear some of

2810
01:54:49,189 --> 01:54:46,239
the story you hear grown men cry

2811
01:54:50,950 --> 01:54:49,199
men of valor that's protectors of their

2812
01:54:53,030 --> 01:54:50,960
families and but when they got to tell

2813
01:54:54,229 --> 01:54:53,040
this story about they've seen something

2814
01:54:56,709 --> 01:54:54,239
and they've never done it before and

2815
01:54:59,270 --> 01:54:56,719
they've been holding it all these years

2816
01:55:01,109 --> 01:54:59,280
it's just an effect that's incredible so

2817
01:55:03,750 --> 01:55:01,119
i think anyone's listening have you seen

2818
01:55:06,229 --> 01:55:03,760
anything get it out get it off yourself

2819
01:55:08,550 --> 01:55:06,239
because you need to understand what you

2820
01:55:10,390 --> 01:55:08,560
saw wasn't an anomaly and you'll be

2821
01:55:13,189 --> 01:55:10,400
really shocked to find

2822
01:55:14,790 --> 01:55:13,199
that someone else saw the same thing

2823
01:55:15,669 --> 01:55:14,800
in the same area because we can pull

2824
01:55:17,350 --> 01:55:15,679
that up

2825
01:55:19,510 --> 01:55:17,360
you are the only one

2826
01:55:21,750 --> 01:55:19,520
and sometimes i give that to people when

2827
01:55:23,589 --> 01:55:21,760
i hear them when i interview them and

2828
01:55:25,189 --> 01:55:23,599
they're really and they because i was

2829
01:55:27,030 --> 01:55:25,199
asking did you tell anyone else like you

2830
01:55:29,030 --> 01:55:27,040
did did you tell you no i've never told

2831
01:55:31,030 --> 01:55:29,040
my wife now they've been married 15

2832
01:55:32,470 --> 01:55:31,040
years they share every secret except

2833
01:55:34,390 --> 01:55:32,480
this one

2834
01:55:36,229 --> 01:55:34,400
you know and so

2835
01:55:38,470 --> 01:55:36,239
uh i think it's important that people

2836
01:55:40,310 --> 01:55:38,480
get it off their chest report these

2837
01:55:43,030 --> 01:55:40,320
things not just for the clinical data

2838
01:55:44,709 --> 01:55:43,040
that we need but again your mental

2839
01:55:47,030 --> 01:55:44,719
health to just to know that you're not

2840
01:55:49,669 --> 01:55:47,040
alone you didn't see something that you

2841
01:55:51,910 --> 01:55:49,679
can't that's not being verified and

2842
01:55:54,709 --> 01:55:51,920
you're not crazy and nobody's gonna

2843
01:55:57,910 --> 01:55:54,719
think you crazy uh and just so happened

2844
01:55:58,870 --> 01:55:57,920
somebody else saw it too how often

2845
01:56:00,950 --> 01:55:58,880
uh

2846
01:56:04,390 --> 01:56:00,960
does it happen where

2847
01:56:06,950 --> 01:56:04,400
you look into a case and you jump in uh

2848
01:56:09,669 --> 01:56:06,960
to your file system and you see that

2849
01:56:11,350 --> 01:56:09,679
three four five reports happened at the

2850
01:56:13,510 --> 01:56:11,360
same time about the same

2851
01:56:15,910 --> 01:56:13,520
object and i would i would guess that

2852
01:56:17,830 --> 01:56:15,920
that is very important but how often

2853
01:56:21,510 --> 01:56:17,840
does it happen

2854
01:56:25,510 --> 01:56:21,520
often enough i think that uh really yeah

2855
01:56:26,390 --> 01:56:25,520
and in fact you know i can tie this into

2856
01:56:30,390 --> 01:56:26,400
uh

2857
01:56:32,709 --> 01:56:30,400
why we why the government now has

2858
01:56:34,390 --> 01:56:32,719
this new ufo office right

2859
01:56:36,470 --> 01:56:34,400
and it goes with the same thing you're

2860
01:56:38,950 --> 01:56:36,480
asking to line up and and i'll tell us

2861
01:56:40,790 --> 01:56:38,960
in a quick story bite here

2862
01:56:42,950 --> 01:56:40,800
you know just as much as when somebody

2863
01:56:44,310 --> 01:56:42,960
reports something to mufon we go in and

2864
01:56:45,669 --> 01:56:44,320
we're going to check

2865
01:56:47,669 --> 01:56:45,679
we're going to automatically see if

2866
01:56:49,430 --> 01:56:47,679
there's any other cases or sometimes you

2867
01:56:51,270 --> 01:56:49,440
can see somebody reported something that

2868
01:56:53,430 --> 01:56:51,280
they took a picture

2869
01:56:55,350 --> 01:56:53,440
and someone you can find another case

2870
01:56:57,589 --> 01:56:55,360
three years ago and the picture is

2871
01:56:59,910 --> 01:56:57,599
identical but they are true pictures of

2872
01:57:02,070 --> 01:56:59,920
each date so whatever this is is still

2873
01:57:03,750 --> 01:57:02,080
flying around but here's the case to tie

2874
01:57:06,070 --> 01:57:03,760
in what you just said

2875
01:57:08,470 --> 01:57:06,080
so think about why we are where we are

2876
01:57:10,790 --> 01:57:08,480
with the government same coincidence of

2877
01:57:12,149 --> 01:57:10,800
situations so you got the east coast

2878
01:57:14,950 --> 01:57:12,159
where something comes out of the water

2879
01:57:17,830 --> 01:57:14,960
which we know 93 of our data or most of

2880
01:57:19,030 --> 01:57:17,840
them ufos are coming from water okay

2881
01:57:21,510 --> 01:57:19,040
and

2882
01:57:23,270 --> 01:57:21,520
then the coast guard sees it the navy

2883
01:57:25,270 --> 01:57:23,280
sees this object

2884
01:57:26,550 --> 01:57:25,280
and they they put their own file on it

2885
01:57:28,229 --> 01:57:26,560
so this thing goes up in the sky

2886
01:57:30,470 --> 01:57:28,239
neighbors got planes but we know these

2887
01:57:32,550 --> 01:57:30,480
things move five times speed of light so

2888
01:57:34,629 --> 01:57:32,560
now it's going across is now over texas

2889
01:57:36,709 --> 01:57:34,639
and the air force has picked this up

2890
01:57:38,790 --> 01:57:36,719
and they got their foul on the same

2891
01:57:39,830 --> 01:57:38,800
object but they're not communicating you

2892
01:57:41,270 --> 01:57:39,840
know right

2893
01:57:44,310 --> 01:57:41,280
all of a sudden this thing goes on

2894
01:57:47,189 --> 01:57:44,320
another side then the army the you know

2895
01:57:48,709 --> 01:57:47,199
the navy you got the air force you got

2896
01:57:51,669 --> 01:57:48,719
all these people and then okay let's

2897
01:57:53,430 --> 01:57:51,679
head apathetically and land somewhere

2898
01:57:55,750 --> 01:57:53,440
and it ducks now you got the army the

2899
01:57:58,950 --> 01:57:55,760
cia where i'm going with this is our

2900
01:58:01,270 --> 01:57:58,960
government was so compartmentalized that

2901
01:58:04,149 --> 01:58:01,280
no one reported there was no central

2902
01:58:05,990 --> 01:58:04,159
database move fund changed all that see

2903
01:58:07,510 --> 01:58:06,000
because we have a central database that

2904
01:58:08,550 --> 01:58:07,520
we can correlate that all this is

2905
01:58:09,669 --> 01:58:08,560
happening

2906
01:58:12,149 --> 01:58:09,679
in time

2907
01:58:13,750 --> 01:58:12,159
and our government just decided to say

2908
01:58:14,709 --> 01:58:13,760
we're going to now make one office

2909
01:58:16,390 --> 01:58:14,719
because

2910
01:58:17,430 --> 01:58:16,400
although each office has their own

2911
01:58:18,950 --> 01:58:17,440
report they could have been talking

2912
01:58:20,390 --> 01:58:18,960
about the same object it's clearly it

2913
01:58:22,149 --> 01:58:20,400
can go from one end to the coast of the

2914
01:58:23,750 --> 01:58:22,159
next coast in seconds

2915
01:58:24,870 --> 01:58:23,760
why wouldn't they all seem the same

2916
01:58:27,750 --> 01:58:24,880
thing

2917
01:58:31,109 --> 01:58:27,760
but yet every individual office have

2918
01:58:33,350 --> 01:58:31,119
their own report so

2919
01:58:35,430 --> 01:58:33,360
mufon i think

2920
01:58:38,310 --> 01:58:35,440
our innovation of that was perfect

2921
01:58:40,550 --> 01:58:38,320
because we can and have a database we

2922
01:58:41,990 --> 01:58:40,560
can track that you know

2923
01:58:44,870 --> 01:58:42,000
do you um

2924
01:58:49,030 --> 01:58:44,880
do you ever call up like peter davenport

2925
01:58:51,510 --> 01:58:49,040
uh to check his reporting versus your

2926
01:58:53,350 --> 01:58:51,520
file system to see if

2927
01:58:56,390 --> 01:58:53,360
there are multiple reports of the same

2928
01:58:59,189 --> 01:58:56,400
object i've never called him to talk

2929
01:59:02,229 --> 01:58:59,199
about that but i have talked to peter on

2930
01:59:04,390 --> 01:59:02,239
several occasions personally yes about

2931
01:59:07,109 --> 01:59:04,400
not on his database and who his

2932
01:59:09,510 --> 01:59:07,119
successor is you know you know and you

2933
01:59:12,229 --> 01:59:09,520
know and and hey i would love to you

2934
01:59:14,229 --> 01:59:12,239
know get to know and and become

2935
01:59:16,709 --> 01:59:14,239
uh a student to

2936
01:59:19,030 --> 01:59:16,719
what you do because that's how i am i'm

2937
01:59:21,109 --> 01:59:19,040
learning from people like i i grilled

2938
01:59:23,030 --> 01:59:21,119
you this weekend i knew i had one moment

2939
01:59:24,629 --> 01:59:23,040
like eminem said one opportunity to get

2940
01:59:26,870 --> 01:59:24,639
everything i ever wanted and i'm talking

2941
01:59:28,870 --> 01:59:26,880
to jimmy church and i'm not going to not

2942
01:59:31,430 --> 01:59:28,880
ask these questions right

2943
01:59:33,990 --> 01:59:31,440
out of curiosity so i've talked to peter

2944
01:59:38,149 --> 01:59:34,000
davenport on several occasions

2945
01:59:39,189 --> 01:59:38,159
uh and that guy has a wealth of

2946
01:59:41,669 --> 01:59:39,199
knowledge

2947
01:59:44,390 --> 01:59:41,679
and he has a database that's incredible

2948
01:59:46,709 --> 01:59:44,400
and my my dream someday is to start my

2949
01:59:49,030 --> 01:59:46,719
own database collection not to compete

2950
01:59:50,629 --> 01:59:49,040
with mufon so to speak but just a place

2951
01:59:51,669 --> 01:59:50,639
where somebody is comfortable and

2952
01:59:53,430 --> 01:59:51,679
hopefully

2953
01:59:55,830 --> 01:59:53,440
uh especially in our community we'll get

2954
01:59:57,189 --> 01:59:55,840
with that later you know in the show but

2955
01:59:58,790 --> 01:59:57,199
to get a place where people are

2956
02:00:00,790 --> 01:59:58,800
comfortable reporting

2957
02:00:03,189 --> 02:00:00,800
these sightings let's take our break

2958
02:00:04,870 --> 02:00:03,199
right here this is fade to black i am

2959
02:00:06,870 --> 02:00:04,880
your host jimmy church tonight roderick

2960
02:00:08,870 --> 02:00:06,880
martin is with us what a great

2961
02:00:10,310 --> 02:00:08,880
conversation i expected this

2962
02:00:12,390 --> 02:00:10,320
and don't worry

2963
02:00:14,390 --> 02:00:12,400
roderick is uh going to be here for

2964
02:00:18,820 --> 02:00:14,400
overtime i'm your host jimmy church this

2965
02:00:21,460 --> 02:00:20,300
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2966
02:00:24,070 --> 02:00:21,470
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2967
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2968
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2969
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2987
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3012
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and i only drink fade to black blend

3013
02:02:22,470 --> 02:02:20,880
coffee from river moon just click on the

3014
02:02:24,229 --> 02:02:22,480
river moon coffee banner at

3015
02:02:28,229 --> 02:02:24,239
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3016
02:02:30,950 --> 02:02:28,239
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3017
02:02:33,669 --> 02:02:30,960
this is the only way forward

3018
02:02:35,210 --> 02:02:33,679
this is paid to black

3019
02:02:39,109 --> 02:02:35,220
make contact

3020
02:02:40,950 --> 02:02:39,119
[Music]

3021
02:02:43,910 --> 02:02:40,960
when you're in the house for longer

3022
02:02:46,390 --> 02:02:43,920
periods of time you can see them flying

3023
02:02:48,070 --> 02:02:46,400
or running across the floor

3024
02:02:51,430 --> 02:02:48,080
ooh yuck

3025
02:02:55,669 --> 02:02:51,440
they're unhealthy gross and disgusting

3026
02:02:58,790 --> 02:02:55,679
bugs i loathe bugs we keep a clean home

3027
02:03:00,870 --> 02:02:58,800
but occasionally bugs show up well i

3028
02:03:04,709 --> 02:03:00,880
found something that is tougher than

3029
02:03:07,990 --> 02:03:04,719
bugs orange guard on contact it kills

3030
02:03:11,589 --> 02:03:08,000
hidden bugs including ants roaches and

3031
02:03:13,990 --> 02:03:11,599
fleas plus orange guard is a residual

3032
02:03:16,390 --> 02:03:14,000
repellent all of the ingredients of

3033
02:03:18,629 --> 02:03:16,400
orange guard are on the fda generally

3034
02:03:20,950 --> 02:03:18,639
recognized as safe list

3035
02:03:24,709 --> 02:03:20,960
orange guard may be used around food

3036
02:03:27,990 --> 02:03:24,719
humans and pets it comes with a 30-day

3037
02:03:29,310 --> 02:03:28,000
money-back guarantee orange guard

3038
02:03:32,390 --> 02:03:29,320
available at

3039
02:03:34,390 --> 02:03:32,400
orangeguard.com whole foods and ace

3040
02:03:37,750 --> 02:03:34,400
hardware

3041
02:03:40,470 --> 02:03:37,760
gold loves chaos uncertainty and

3042
02:03:42,390 --> 02:03:40,480
disarray history shows us what gold does

3043
02:03:44,149 --> 02:03:42,400
when people aren't sure aren't sure

3044
02:03:46,950 --> 02:03:44,159
about the government the stock market

3045
02:03:49,669 --> 02:03:46,960
their jobs or their retirement savings

3046
02:03:51,589 --> 02:03:49,679
our national debt is skyrocketing gold

3047
02:03:53,750 --> 02:03:51,599
and other precious metals are a defense

3048
02:03:56,550 --> 02:03:53,760
measure against inflation and a stock

3049
02:03:58,790 --> 02:03:56,560
market that might take years to recover

3050
02:04:01,109 --> 02:03:58,800
so what can you do right now to protect

3051
02:04:02,870 --> 02:04:01,119
yourself called united gold group we

3052
02:04:06,069 --> 02:04:02,880
offer gold and other precious metals

3053
02:04:07,669 --> 02:04:06,079
delivered securely within 72 hours are

3054
02:04:10,149 --> 02:04:07,679
you worried about the stock market we

3055
02:04:14,470 --> 02:04:10,159
can also help you set up a real gold or

3056
02:04:16,790 --> 02:04:14,480
silver ira or a 401k safe and secure

3057
02:04:20,149 --> 02:04:16,800
united gold group makes gold ownership

3058
02:04:22,629 --> 02:04:20,159
affordable call now and get up to 2 500

3059
02:04:26,589 --> 02:04:22,639
in free gold or silver with a qualified

3060
02:04:26,599 --> 02:04:30,270
800-753-8534 that's

3061
02:04:43,589 --> 02:04:31,910
800-753-85534 or visit

3062
02:04:49,270 --> 02:04:45,430
you wanna know a secret

3063
02:04:50,629 --> 02:04:49,280
i love ponies i really love ponies i'm

3064
02:04:52,790 --> 02:04:50,639
serious

3065
02:04:54,229 --> 02:04:52,800
i couldn't stay sane without poor mr

3066
02:04:56,310 --> 02:04:54,239
brush

3067
02:05:02,709 --> 02:04:56,320
why fade to black

3068
02:05:11,900 --> 02:05:04,950
this is fade to black with jimmy church

3069
02:05:24,149 --> 02:05:22,390
[Music]

3070
02:05:25,990 --> 02:05:24,159
welcome back fade to black i am your

3071
02:05:29,990 --> 02:05:26,000
host jimmy church tonight broderick

3072
02:05:30,000 --> 02:05:33,189
and uh

3073
02:05:38,470 --> 02:05:36,229
this is where um i'm i'm going to start

3074
02:05:40,149 --> 02:05:38,480
to talk about the obvious roderick and

3075
02:05:41,430 --> 02:05:40,159
and i just saw your text we'll get to

3076
02:05:43,910 --> 02:05:41,440
that okay

3077
02:05:47,270 --> 02:05:43,920
uh we'll save that for overtime

3078
02:05:48,870 --> 02:05:47,280
um a great subject by the way

3079
02:05:51,189 --> 02:05:48,880
and uh

3080
02:05:52,790 --> 02:05:51,199
is uh is this so

3081
02:05:54,790 --> 02:05:52,800
um

3082
02:05:56,390 --> 02:05:54,800
you brought up the community that you

3083
02:05:58,790 --> 02:05:56,400
you grew up in

3084
02:06:01,109 --> 02:05:58,800
and uh where you just

3085
02:06:04,069 --> 02:06:01,119
you know you're not gonna walk around

3086
02:06:06,390 --> 02:06:04,079
and and talk about ufos and and and i

3087
02:06:07,990 --> 02:06:06,400
guess i i get that

3088
02:06:11,109 --> 02:06:08,000
um

3089
02:06:13,750 --> 02:06:11,119
and and here's the deal

3090
02:06:16,950 --> 02:06:13,760
you're you're black

3091
02:06:18,709 --> 02:06:16,960
so when you show up for an investigation

3092
02:06:20,470 --> 02:06:18,719
and somebody meets you

3093
02:06:22,550 --> 02:06:20,480
are they are they surprised by that

3094
02:06:24,550 --> 02:06:22,560
number one number two is this something

3095
02:06:26,790 --> 02:06:24,560
that you have to battle

3096
02:06:27,750 --> 02:06:26,800
um is it a concern or do you not give a

3097
02:06:31,109 --> 02:06:27,760
crap

3098
02:06:33,510 --> 02:06:31,119
and probably the third part of this is

3099
02:06:36,310 --> 02:06:33,520
because of

3100
02:06:40,069 --> 02:06:36,320
the culture that you brought up earlier

3101
02:06:42,709 --> 02:06:40,079
is that a reason why we don't have more

3102
02:06:46,149 --> 02:06:42,719
of the black community

3103
02:06:47,990 --> 02:06:46,159
at conferences or or talking about their

3104
02:06:50,550 --> 02:06:48,000
their contact because

3105
02:06:52,229 --> 02:06:50,560
et is colorblind right

3106
02:06:53,750 --> 02:06:52,239
they don't care

3107
02:06:57,270 --> 02:06:53,760
so

3108
02:07:00,550 --> 02:06:57,280
are all of these your concerns

3109
02:07:02,229 --> 02:07:00,560
yes um and i have experienced a lot uh

3110
02:07:03,510 --> 02:07:02,239
when it comes down to this and i think

3111
02:07:05,510 --> 02:07:03,520
that

3112
02:07:08,790 --> 02:07:05,520
you you probably

3113
02:07:11,270 --> 02:07:08,800
uh have just opened up a

3114
02:07:13,990 --> 02:07:11,280
um and i'm not saying it's a serious kin

3115
02:07:16,390 --> 02:07:14,000
of worms but it is a can with worms in

3116
02:07:17,270 --> 02:07:16,400
it and it can be serious

3117
02:07:20,550 --> 02:07:17,280
so

3118
02:07:23,990 --> 02:07:20,560
you know uh one of the things that i i i

3119
02:07:26,709 --> 02:07:24,000
look into will start with my community

3120
02:07:29,350 --> 02:07:26,719
yeah you know i grew up in a uh yes and

3121
02:07:31,510 --> 02:07:29,360
and to answer to the audience i'm black

3122
02:07:32,790 --> 02:07:31,520
and and i've been black for quite some

3123
02:07:35,750 --> 02:07:32,800
time

3124
02:07:36,790 --> 02:07:35,760
i got it down packed i you know i

3125
02:07:38,870 --> 02:07:36,800
got it

3126
02:07:41,189 --> 02:07:38,880
half a hundred years for sure right so i

3127
02:07:43,270 --> 02:07:41,199
got it down i got this thing down and

3128
02:07:44,790 --> 02:07:43,280
it's so the experience is real but at

3129
02:07:46,390 --> 02:07:44,800
the end of the day

3130
02:07:48,470 --> 02:07:46,400
in that neighborhood you're not talking

3131
02:07:49,510 --> 02:07:48,480
about this thing you're just not going

3132
02:07:53,189 --> 02:07:49,520
to

3133
02:07:56,149 --> 02:07:53,199
uh now when i gotten older and now that

3134
02:07:57,030 --> 02:07:56,159
i'm an investigator now that i host a

3135
02:07:58,870 --> 02:07:57,040
show

3136
02:08:01,350 --> 02:07:58,880
now that i understand a little more

3137
02:08:04,629 --> 02:08:01,360
psychology of this now that i go deeper

3138
02:08:07,830 --> 02:08:04,639
into curiosity deeper into

3139
02:08:10,390 --> 02:08:07,840
cultural perspectives i understand why

3140
02:08:12,470 --> 02:08:10,400
and i can now understand why my wife had

3141
02:08:15,030 --> 02:08:12,480
problems with this subject

3142
02:08:17,430 --> 02:08:15,040
and the forgiveness is there if she

3143
02:08:20,229 --> 02:08:17,440
wasn't trying to hold me back from being

3144
02:08:23,270 --> 02:08:20,239
successful or my dream

3145
02:08:25,830 --> 02:08:23,280
this was a touchy subject religious-wise

3146
02:08:27,669 --> 02:08:25,840
because in the doctrine of christianity

3147
02:08:28,629 --> 02:08:27,679
in some of these books you cannot this

3148
02:08:30,470 --> 02:08:28,639
is not something we're going to be

3149
02:08:32,790 --> 02:08:30,480
talking it's taboo

3150
02:08:34,790 --> 02:08:32,800
and from where she probably

3151
02:08:36,470 --> 02:08:34,800
experienced this it just wasn't

3152
02:08:38,229 --> 02:08:36,480
something that was not

3153
02:08:41,030 --> 02:08:38,239
going to go against the story because

3154
02:08:43,109 --> 02:08:41,040
you i grew up in a house that i was told

3155
02:08:45,990 --> 02:08:43,119
that there's a man who could walk across

3156
02:08:48,229 --> 02:08:46,000
water he can feed 5 000 with you know a

3157
02:08:50,310 --> 02:08:48,239
loaf of bread you know he can raise the

3158
02:08:51,750 --> 02:08:50,320
dead he's coming back but i can't

3159
02:08:52,950 --> 02:08:51,760
believe that there's something flying

3160
02:08:54,069 --> 02:08:52,960
around and we're not alone in the

3161
02:08:55,669 --> 02:08:54,079
universe

3162
02:08:58,790 --> 02:08:55,679
you get what i'm saying and so

3163
02:09:01,910 --> 02:08:58,800
i do yeah so that became a

3164
02:09:03,510 --> 02:09:01,920
real true problem as i grew in more

3165
02:09:05,030 --> 02:09:03,520
knowledge growing up because you still

3166
02:09:06,149 --> 02:09:05,040
you believe you got to still believe in

3167
02:09:08,470 --> 02:09:06,159
something

3168
02:09:10,149 --> 02:09:08,480
and you can't go against what mom told

3169
02:09:11,830 --> 02:09:10,159
you because you're not old enough to go

3170
02:09:13,270 --> 02:09:11,840
in the room and tell her what the heck

3171
02:09:16,310 --> 02:09:13,280
is this you just talking about look at

3172
02:09:18,069 --> 02:09:16,320
this and so we start there so that's the

3173
02:09:20,229 --> 02:09:18,079
starting point before we get into the

3174
02:09:22,390 --> 02:09:20,239
other factors that you mentioned but

3175
02:09:23,990 --> 02:09:22,400
it's going to start with everybody's

3176
02:09:25,350 --> 02:09:24,000
upbringing because even when i'm

3177
02:09:27,430 --> 02:09:25,360
clubhouse

3178
02:09:30,550 --> 02:09:27,440
if i never took the time to

3179
02:09:32,229 --> 02:09:30,560
start studying cultural lenses in this

3180
02:09:33,669 --> 02:09:32,239
and where i'm going from this with the

3181
02:09:36,229 --> 02:09:33,679
audience is that

3182
02:09:37,830 --> 02:09:36,239
you know for example uh and i'll give a

3183
02:09:38,870 --> 02:09:37,840
life example well let me give you a real

3184
02:09:40,870 --> 02:09:38,880
example

3185
02:09:42,390 --> 02:09:40,880
and there in clubhouse you can bring

3186
02:09:44,069 --> 02:09:42,400
people on stage to engage in a

3187
02:09:46,229 --> 02:09:44,079
conversation and i could be talking

3188
02:09:47,589 --> 02:09:46,239
about extraterrestrials or whatever

3189
02:09:49,830 --> 02:09:47,599
you'll get somebody who'll get up there

3190
02:09:51,910 --> 02:09:49,840
who is pick that ticked off and make

3191
02:09:54,550 --> 02:09:51,920
sure the words i can use here can we use

3192
02:09:58,310 --> 02:09:54,560
some bad words like no no no

3193
02:10:00,470 --> 02:09:58,320
no all right so they're ticked off okay

3194
02:10:03,830 --> 02:10:00,480
and and they are

3195
02:10:05,990 --> 02:10:03,840
upset in and they're saying to you

3196
02:10:07,990 --> 02:10:06,000
as best as they can that

3197
02:10:10,229 --> 02:10:08,000
et's are demons

3198
02:10:12,069 --> 02:10:10,239
they're this this and this

3199
02:10:14,310 --> 02:10:12,079
the other person gets up there and

3200
02:10:17,109 --> 02:10:14,320
starts talking about their angels so

3201
02:10:18,629 --> 02:10:17,119
imagine the war conversations

3202
02:10:19,830 --> 02:10:18,639
and they both haven't realized we're

3203
02:10:21,910 --> 02:10:19,840
talking about the same thing we're

3204
02:10:23,669 --> 02:10:21,920
actually going up above this and saying

3205
02:10:25,510 --> 02:10:23,679
there's something higher than your

3206
02:10:28,069 --> 02:10:25,520
religion and my religion

3207
02:10:29,669 --> 02:10:28,079
and but most people in clubhouse will

3208
02:10:32,069 --> 02:10:29,679
shut them off kick them on the floor

3209
02:10:33,910 --> 02:10:32,079
tell them they're crazy i break the

3210
02:10:35,589 --> 02:10:33,920
barrier because i got get both of them

3211
02:10:38,470 --> 02:10:35,599
to understand that this person's not

3212
02:10:41,430 --> 02:10:38,480
going against you this person was raised

3213
02:10:43,589 --> 02:10:41,440
all their lives that this is a demon and

3214
02:10:47,030 --> 02:10:43,599
this person was raised that that this is

3215
02:10:48,790 --> 02:10:47,040
a angel and these two people are not

3216
02:10:50,229 --> 02:10:48,800
arguing at each other they're arguing

3217
02:10:52,069 --> 02:10:50,239
from their belief system from their

3218
02:10:53,910 --> 02:10:52,079
lenses their culture and lenses how they

3219
02:10:55,910 --> 02:10:53,920
see the phenomenon and we get that all

3220
02:10:58,310 --> 02:10:55,920
the time so i can just about pinpoint

3221
02:11:01,350 --> 02:10:58,320
whoever gets up there however they

3222
02:11:04,069 --> 02:11:01,360
describe their experience i almost can

3223
02:11:05,830 --> 02:11:04,079
predict their religious background

3224
02:11:07,109 --> 02:11:05,840
and that allows me to communicate

3225
02:11:10,310 --> 02:11:07,119
effectively

3226
02:11:11,589 --> 02:11:10,320
get the curiosity going uh in to do that

3227
02:11:13,589 --> 02:11:11,599
so now

3228
02:11:14,790 --> 02:11:13,599
let's move on into

3229
02:11:17,990 --> 02:11:14,800
uh

3230
02:11:19,270 --> 02:11:18,000
being black in this community or

3231
02:11:20,310 --> 02:11:19,280
or really

3232
02:11:22,709 --> 02:11:20,320
you know

3233
02:11:24,790 --> 02:11:22,719
i i have a personalized license place on

3234
02:11:26,470 --> 02:11:24,800
my car i showed you that right

3235
02:11:29,430 --> 02:11:26,480
and i will never forget the story of

3236
02:11:30,470 --> 02:11:29,440
going into uh maybe we give them a plug

3237
02:11:31,830 --> 02:11:30,480
chick-fil-a because they got good

3238
02:11:33,589 --> 02:11:31,840
customer service so we can go and get

3239
02:11:35,669 --> 02:11:33,599
them unplugged but i'm

3240
02:11:37,430 --> 02:11:35,679
i'm sorry look like you squishy like nah

3241
02:11:38,629 --> 02:11:37,440
don't do that dude nah they gotta pay

3242
02:11:40,870 --> 02:11:38,639
for this crap

3243
02:11:43,189 --> 02:11:40,880
okay i didn't say it don't go to that

3244
02:11:44,629 --> 02:11:43,199
place but the the place with the chicken

3245
02:11:45,990 --> 02:11:44,639
they have chicken

3246
02:11:48,470 --> 02:11:46,000
and uh

3247
02:11:53,030 --> 02:11:48,480
i drive up in the drive-through

3248
02:11:55,270 --> 02:11:53,040
and uh that was his car behind me and

3249
02:11:56,709 --> 02:11:55,280
it stopped so quite naturally i'm

3250
02:11:58,950 --> 02:11:56,719
looking back because they don't put a

3251
02:12:00,629 --> 02:11:58,960
gap in the line at this place and it has

3252
02:12:02,149 --> 02:12:00,639
lines you got to keep it moving and this

3253
02:12:03,750 --> 02:12:02,159
person can put gaps in it and i'm like

3254
02:12:06,149 --> 02:12:03,760
this got to be serious

3255
02:12:07,030 --> 02:12:06,159
she gets out of the car uh now she is

3256
02:12:10,310 --> 02:12:07,040
white

3257
02:12:12,069 --> 02:12:10,320
and she walks up and has that look of

3258
02:12:14,149 --> 02:12:12,079
what we all hear about the caring thing

3259
02:12:15,270 --> 02:12:14,159
right i'm like this is not gonna be

3260
02:12:18,550 --> 02:12:15,280
happening

3261
02:12:19,910 --> 02:12:18,560
and so i let down the window uh because

3262
02:12:21,430 --> 02:12:19,920
i'm at the speaker because i'm about to

3263
02:12:23,030 --> 02:12:21,440
order but she gets in between me and the

3264
02:12:24,390 --> 02:12:23,040
order and now we we got a problem

3265
02:12:25,589 --> 02:12:24,400
because i want to order my food i'm

3266
02:12:27,189 --> 02:12:25,599
hungry

3267
02:12:28,390 --> 02:12:27,199
and she looks at me and she says are you

3268
02:12:30,310 --> 02:12:28,400
serious

3269
02:12:31,830 --> 02:12:30,320
and i'm like what the hell did i do i

3270
02:12:33,910 --> 02:12:31,840
don't even know you

3271
02:12:35,910 --> 02:12:33,920
she said is that serious on your license

3272
02:12:36,950 --> 02:12:35,920
plate and i said

3273
02:12:38,310 --> 02:12:36,960
yeah

3274
02:12:39,750 --> 02:12:38,320
and she gives me this look because she's

3275
02:12:41,510 --> 02:12:39,760
already shocked when i run down these

3276
02:12:44,390 --> 02:12:41,520
tenant windows and i'm black because she

3277
02:12:45,750 --> 02:12:44,400
did not expect that right

3278
02:12:47,350 --> 02:12:45,760
so the last thing she could say are you

3279
02:12:48,870 --> 02:12:47,360
serious because now this black man is

3280
02:12:50,550 --> 02:12:48,880
getting ready to make a joke a mockery

3281
02:12:51,430 --> 02:12:50,560
of what's on his plates

3282
02:12:57,030 --> 02:12:51,440
and

3283
02:12:58,310 --> 02:12:57,040
credentials i said no ma'am i'm a ufo

3284
02:12:59,750 --> 02:12:58,320
investigator

3285
02:13:01,030 --> 02:12:59,760
i'm a believer i had to start going to

3286
02:13:03,350 --> 02:13:01,040
the list because i thought this was my

3287
02:13:04,709 --> 02:13:03,360
moment this is me it you know she is

3288
02:13:07,350 --> 02:13:04,719
ticked off

3289
02:13:09,189 --> 02:13:07,360
and then she looks at me and she says

3290
02:13:11,510 --> 02:13:09,199
i have an experience

3291
02:13:13,350 --> 02:13:11,520
call me here's my number

3292
02:13:14,390 --> 02:13:13,360
she never answered the phone though

3293
02:13:15,990 --> 02:13:14,400
because she already had the number

3294
02:13:17,350 --> 02:13:16,000
written out so she had to get out of it

3295
02:13:19,350 --> 02:13:17,360
gracefully right

3296
02:13:21,109 --> 02:13:19,360
but that's not the first time

3297
02:13:23,589 --> 02:13:21,119
i get people all the time

3298
02:13:25,830 --> 02:13:23,599
you're a ufo investigator and it's

3299
02:13:27,910 --> 02:13:25,840
almost like it's a joke now that's on

3300
02:13:30,149 --> 02:13:27,920
the other side of the fence but when in

3301
02:13:33,830 --> 02:13:30,159
when i'm in my community

3302
02:13:35,910 --> 02:13:33,840
it's always is are they real

3303
02:13:37,750 --> 02:13:35,920
are you serious oh man i've been having

3304
02:13:39,910 --> 02:13:37,760
this feeling so it's almost

3305
02:13:42,709 --> 02:13:39,920
in our community they there's a presence

3306
02:13:45,109 --> 02:13:42,719
of the extraterrestrial existence

3307
02:13:47,350 --> 02:13:45,119
nobody is talking about it because for

3308
02:13:49,669 --> 02:13:47,360
they maybe there's not a place or maybe

3309
02:13:51,109 --> 02:13:49,679
they don't feel comfortable or maybe you

3310
02:13:52,629 --> 02:13:51,119
know could you and then you got to think

3311
02:13:54,390 --> 02:13:52,639
back we ain't talking about this in the

3312
02:13:56,310 --> 02:13:54,400
60s and 50s

3313
02:13:58,390 --> 02:13:56,320
because you're talking an injury to add

3314
02:14:01,109 --> 02:13:58,400
injured insult ain't no black person is

3315
02:14:02,870 --> 02:14:01,119
gonna walk into the police office back

3316
02:14:04,550 --> 02:14:02,880
then when we could get lynched or

3317
02:14:05,830 --> 02:14:04,560
something and say oh by the way i saw a

3318
02:14:07,589 --> 02:14:05,840
ufo

3319
02:14:09,189 --> 02:14:07,599
so you're not gonna hear these things

3320
02:14:11,189 --> 02:14:09,199
you're not gonna it's not talked about

3321
02:14:15,109 --> 02:14:11,199
in our community from the past

3322
02:14:17,830 --> 02:14:15,119
definitely from the future uh my uh my

3323
02:14:19,910 --> 02:14:17,840
good friend hilton j palm who has uh

3324
02:14:21,430 --> 02:14:19,920
worked with uh this show and worked with

3325
02:14:22,870 --> 02:14:21,440
me all the way back when we were in

3326
02:14:25,270 --> 02:14:22,880
school together

3327
02:14:28,229 --> 02:14:25,280
um born and raised in south central los

3328
02:14:30,470 --> 02:14:28,239
angeles and very proud black man love

3329
02:14:31,669 --> 02:14:30,480
this guy to death too i mean

3330
02:14:34,629 --> 02:14:31,679
seriously

3331
02:14:37,990 --> 02:14:34,639
but i asked him about point blank

3332
02:14:40,790 --> 02:14:38,000
i said so um

3333
02:14:43,430 --> 02:14:40,800
what was the deal with ufos and in south

3334
02:14:45,830 --> 02:14:43,440
central because they don't exist

3335
02:14:47,030 --> 02:14:45,840
what do you mean

3336
02:14:49,589 --> 02:14:47,040
we could

3337
02:14:52,149 --> 02:14:49,599
a flying saucer could land in south

3338
02:14:55,350 --> 02:14:52,159
central and nobody would talk about it

3339
02:14:57,669 --> 02:14:55,360
nobody would admit it and that's just

3340
02:14:59,589 --> 02:14:57,679
the way it is and he said

3341
02:15:01,830 --> 02:14:59,599
there's a lot of things that we

3342
02:15:05,270 --> 02:15:01,840
won't talk about ghosts and and things

3343
02:15:07,589 --> 02:15:05,280
but but when it comes to ufos no not not

3344
02:15:09,510 --> 02:15:07,599
in this community and it wouldn't matter

3345
02:15:11,109 --> 02:15:09,520
if i saw something or not i i wouldn't

3346
02:15:12,870 --> 02:15:11,119
talk about it and and neither would

3347
02:15:15,189 --> 02:15:12,880
anybody else in it

3348
02:15:18,709 --> 02:15:15,199
it it it blew my mind i was a little

3349
02:15:21,109 --> 02:15:18,719
taken aback by it but then you kind of

3350
02:15:24,550 --> 02:15:21,119
look at the complaints about the ufo

3351
02:15:25,830 --> 02:15:24,560
community you know lack of women uh you

3352
02:15:29,109 --> 02:15:25,840
know uh

3353
02:15:30,069 --> 02:15:29,119
it's it's a it's a white uh white man's

3354
02:15:34,229 --> 02:15:30,079
club

3355
02:15:37,270 --> 02:15:34,239
uh not not enough uh uh of the younger

3356
02:15:39,750 --> 02:15:37,280
generation and that there is only one

3357
02:15:42,709 --> 02:15:39,760
lens that looks at this phenomenon and i

3358
02:15:45,109 --> 02:15:42,719
don't see it that way anymore

3359
02:15:47,750 --> 02:15:45,119
it may have been that way in years past

3360
02:15:50,470 --> 02:15:47,760
more that way i should say in years past

3361
02:15:53,350 --> 02:15:50,480
but you go to conferences today roderick

3362
02:15:56,229 --> 02:15:53,360
and and you've got every nationality

3363
02:15:58,790 --> 02:15:56,239
you've got every age represented

3364
02:16:01,030 --> 02:15:58,800
and i would say that uh

3365
02:16:03,109 --> 02:16:01,040
certainly between men and women i'm

3366
02:16:05,910 --> 02:16:03,119
going to say it's 50 50

3367
02:16:08,069 --> 02:16:05,920
maybe even more women are at ufo

3368
02:16:10,069 --> 02:16:08,079
conferences than men

3369
02:16:10,990 --> 02:16:10,079
and and maybe

3370
02:16:14,470 --> 02:16:11,000
it's

3371
02:16:15,430 --> 02:16:14,480
changing do you feel the same way

3372
02:16:17,990 --> 02:16:15,440
no

3373
02:16:19,669 --> 02:16:18,000
i don't i

3374
02:16:21,270 --> 02:16:19,679
just don't and maybe those men are

3375
02:16:23,830 --> 02:16:21,280
bringing women with them

3376
02:16:26,870 --> 02:16:23,840
you get them there's an anomaly here

3377
02:16:28,709 --> 02:16:26,880
in any cases you can always find that

3378
02:16:32,070 --> 02:16:28,719
uh you can you know there's going to be

3379
02:16:34,309 --> 02:16:32,080
a speckle of any diversity anywhere but

3380
02:16:35,509 --> 02:16:34,319
that don't mean a majority or a minority

3381
02:16:37,509 --> 02:16:35,519
or a

3382
02:16:39,910 --> 02:16:37,519
equal number when it comes down to this

3383
02:16:41,429 --> 02:16:39,920
and it's clearly in in our community

3384
02:16:43,830 --> 02:16:41,439
when it comes down to

3385
02:16:45,030 --> 02:16:43,840
the ufology because one of the things

3386
02:16:48,469 --> 02:16:45,040
that

3387
02:16:51,270 --> 02:16:48,479
i had to overcome especially on

3388
02:16:52,549 --> 02:16:51,280
clubhouse because i was

3389
02:16:54,070 --> 02:16:52,559
the first thing that happened when

3390
02:16:55,990 --> 02:16:54,080
clubhouse said okay we're going to pick

3391
02:16:57,990 --> 02:16:56,000
this guy they put out on the internet

3392
02:17:00,230 --> 02:16:58,000
he's one of the first black ufo

3393
02:17:01,830 --> 02:17:00,240
investigators and i'm not and i had to

3394
02:17:05,190 --> 02:17:01,840
go back and get this corrected but it

3395
02:17:07,110 --> 02:17:05,200
caused a ripple through the community oh

3396
02:17:08,950 --> 02:17:07,120
they chose him because he was black and

3397
02:17:10,870 --> 02:17:08,960
and not because i knew anything or

3398
02:17:13,589 --> 02:17:10,880
whatever now most people didn't

3399
02:17:15,910 --> 02:17:13,599
understand when you are hosting

3400
02:17:17,589 --> 02:17:15,920
i'm not flexing my muscle of knowledge

3401
02:17:19,349 --> 02:17:17,599
i'm an interviewer i got to ask

3402
02:17:21,910 --> 02:17:19,359
questions i got to work for my audience

3403
02:17:24,389 --> 02:17:21,920
i got to get the content from them

3404
02:17:26,709 --> 02:17:24,399
and there was this rumor oh he doesn't

3405
02:17:28,790 --> 02:17:26,719
know this he doesn't know that and blah

3406
02:17:31,190 --> 02:17:28,800
blah blah and because i'm black number

3407
02:17:32,389 --> 02:17:31,200
one and you know and they go with you

3408
02:17:34,150 --> 02:17:32,399
know he ain't been around this long

3409
02:17:35,990 --> 02:17:34,160
enough i mean and because you can go

3410
02:17:37,910 --> 02:17:36,000
into these rooms i'm listening to them

3411
02:17:39,990 --> 02:17:37,920
because i have a fake account

3412
02:17:41,910 --> 02:17:40,000
blah blah blah okay i'm busted now but

3413
02:17:43,270 --> 02:17:41,920
you know we call them burners you go

3414
02:17:44,870 --> 02:17:43,280
into this room you can listen to the

3415
02:17:47,830 --> 02:17:44,880
conversations

3416
02:17:49,910 --> 02:17:47,840
and one of the challenge is that

3417
02:17:52,950 --> 02:17:49,920
what i realized uh

3418
02:17:55,270 --> 02:17:52,960
jimmy was that you know these same folks

3419
02:17:57,190 --> 02:17:55,280
you know when they start telling you how

3420
02:17:59,669 --> 02:17:57,200
long they've been around ufology and how

3421
02:18:01,750 --> 02:17:59,679
long they've been knowing if you listen

3422
02:18:04,150 --> 02:18:01,760
close enough they can say they've been

3423
02:18:05,669 --> 02:18:04,160
around this thing for 30 years jimmy but

3424
02:18:08,629 --> 02:18:05,679
really they've been talking about the

3425
02:18:10,790 --> 02:18:08,639
same thing for 30 years right and that

3426
02:18:12,790 --> 02:18:10,800
makes them an expert and when they ask

3427
02:18:14,230 --> 02:18:12,800
me about the i'm making this up y'all

3428
02:18:17,030 --> 02:18:14,240
but they asked me about the sandy

3429
02:18:18,709 --> 02:18:17,040
sadesky incident that happened in blue

3430
02:18:20,389 --> 02:18:18,719
moon oregon

3431
02:18:22,549 --> 02:18:20,399
and i don't know it i don't know nothing

3432
02:18:24,549 --> 02:18:22,559
right i'm like man who knows every darn

3433
02:18:26,150 --> 02:18:24,559
thing but i can tell you what i can hold

3434
02:18:28,629 --> 02:18:26,160
my own we can do that but that's not my

3435
02:18:31,270 --> 02:18:28,639
job my job is to give my audience some

3436
02:18:32,870 --> 02:18:31,280
information and to work for them who i'm

3437
02:18:35,669 --> 02:18:32,880
interviewing and so

3438
02:18:38,469 --> 02:18:35,679
it took me a while to overcome that

3439
02:18:41,190 --> 02:18:38,479
where people begin to realize this guy

3440
02:18:42,629 --> 02:18:41,200
is okay he's doing what he does uh but

3441
02:18:45,270 --> 02:18:42,639
the back channels

3442
02:18:47,750 --> 02:18:45,280
of all of that in clubhouse it was was

3443
02:18:49,429 --> 02:18:47,760
with bad and you would hear it and i

3444
02:18:50,790 --> 02:18:49,439
knew where it was coming from i knew it

3445
02:18:52,549 --> 02:18:50,800
was the angle

3446
02:18:54,070 --> 02:18:52,559
number one because i start growing the

3447
02:18:56,389 --> 02:18:54,080
biggest club there

3448
02:18:58,870 --> 02:18:56,399
um i'm at i don't do what everybody else

3449
02:19:00,870 --> 02:18:58,880
do people will open up rooms i did a

3450
02:19:01,669 --> 02:19:00,880
show and i would make it clear this is a

3451
02:19:03,990 --> 02:19:01,679
show

3452
02:19:04,950 --> 02:19:04,000
and and i'm the host of this thing and

3453
02:19:07,910 --> 02:19:04,960
so

3454
02:19:10,230 --> 02:19:07,920
um now i'm out front you know i'm in a

3455
02:19:11,830 --> 02:19:10,240
space that most people normally don't

3456
02:19:13,429 --> 02:19:11,840
see or hear

3457
02:19:15,030 --> 02:19:13,439
you know and so

3458
02:19:16,870 --> 02:19:15,040
the race was on

3459
02:19:18,790 --> 02:19:16,880
but at the end of the day

3460
02:19:20,309 --> 02:19:18,800
you know as you become the entertainment

3461
02:19:22,629 --> 02:19:20,319
of this thing because you got to provide

3462
02:19:24,549 --> 02:19:22,639
the curiosity and for people to

3463
02:19:26,309 --> 02:19:24,559
take a take the seriousness off this

3464
02:19:29,110 --> 02:19:26,319
thing right so

3465
02:19:30,309 --> 02:19:29,120
uh now how did i overcome

3466
02:19:36,629 --> 02:19:30,319
the

3467
02:19:41,349 --> 02:19:38,870
so i grew up here i really did i have a

3468
02:19:43,429 --> 02:19:41,359
low white beard i have a silver beard

3469
02:19:45,270 --> 02:19:43,439
and i'm in i'm in it

3470
02:19:46,629 --> 02:19:45,280
and so

3471
02:19:48,309 --> 02:19:46,639
okay i know everybody's probably said

3472
02:19:50,469 --> 02:19:48,319
it's too crazy but i'm funny i'm really

3473
02:19:52,630 --> 02:19:50,479
funny y'all and but the end of the day i

3474
02:19:54,070 --> 02:19:52,640
grew up here i actually did but not so

3475
02:19:57,190 --> 02:19:54,080
much for the introduction or the

3476
02:19:59,910 --> 02:19:57,200
introductory to it but you just begin

3477
02:20:02,550 --> 02:19:59,920
all of us begin to look alike we all are

3478
02:20:04,870 --> 02:20:02,560
in this we in this together

3479
02:20:07,030 --> 02:20:04,880
and hopefully at some point we will get

3480
02:20:09,429 --> 02:20:07,040
more women

3481
02:20:12,389 --> 02:20:09,439
we will get more men

3482
02:20:14,870 --> 02:20:12,399
but i do hope that we do get more

3483
02:20:20,389 --> 02:20:14,880
african-american people in this because

3484
02:20:25,429 --> 02:20:23,190
nation i think there's a whole another

3485
02:20:26,230 --> 02:20:25,439
culture of experiences

3486
02:20:28,309 --> 02:20:26,240
uh

3487
02:20:31,830 --> 02:20:28,319
from a whole different perspective that

3488
02:20:33,910 --> 02:20:31,840
well how do okay and that's great but

3489
02:20:36,550 --> 02:20:33,920
how do we do it

3490
02:20:37,590 --> 02:20:36,560
how do we bring

3491
02:20:39,670 --> 02:20:37,600
them in

3492
02:20:41,750 --> 02:20:39,680
you know how do the community if the

3493
02:20:43,830 --> 02:20:41,760
community has to

3494
02:20:44,710 --> 02:20:43,840
it's like network marketing i i used to

3495
02:20:46,710 --> 02:20:44,720
be a

3496
02:20:48,070 --> 02:20:46,720
master distributor i've done that you

3497
02:20:50,550 --> 02:20:48,080
know all my life

3498
02:20:52,630 --> 02:20:50,560
and you can start a cluster within the

3499
02:20:54,710 --> 02:20:52,640
network marketing company and and if

3500
02:20:55,590 --> 02:20:54,720
it's for the first hundreds and hundreds

3501
02:20:58,230 --> 02:20:55,600
of people they're all going to be

3502
02:21:00,150 --> 02:20:58,240
hispanics until that one hispanic person

3503
02:21:01,830 --> 02:21:00,160
has a black friend

3504
02:21:03,349 --> 02:21:01,840
and then they invite and it breaks the

3505
02:21:05,270 --> 02:21:03,359
color barrier because then blacks no

3506
02:21:07,349 --> 02:21:05,280
other blacks and so same thing here it

3507
02:21:09,590 --> 02:21:07,359
has to happen to where

3508
02:21:11,270 --> 02:21:09,600
we all who know each other share and

3509
02:21:12,950 --> 02:21:11,280
bring people to the table with this

3510
02:21:15,510 --> 02:21:12,960
experience and you break the barrier now

3511
02:21:17,429 --> 02:21:15,520
i'm doing a great job my audience on

3512
02:21:19,270 --> 02:21:17,439
clubhouse was predominantly white it's

3513
02:21:22,150 --> 02:21:19,280
now starting to mix

3514
02:21:23,830 --> 02:21:22,160
rawly and i get it every time i do a

3515
02:21:25,190 --> 02:21:23,840
show man i didn't know you was here i

3516
02:21:26,870 --> 02:21:25,200
didn't know somebody in our community

3517
02:21:29,030 --> 02:21:26,880
was talking about this i'm like well

3518
02:21:29,830 --> 02:21:29,040
how'd it what do i need to do to get out

3519
02:21:30,550 --> 02:21:29,840
there

3520
02:21:33,270 --> 02:21:30,560
now

3521
02:21:35,429 --> 02:21:33,280
maybe the mission

3522
02:21:38,150 --> 02:21:35,439
it's a not so much a mission for me it's

3523
02:21:40,550 --> 02:21:38,160
it's not just a destiny it's my purpose

3524
02:21:43,429 --> 02:21:40,560
and maybe that's why i'm gonna be i'm

3525
02:21:46,150 --> 02:21:43,439
already you know segmented to do t seven

3526
02:21:47,910 --> 02:21:46,160
tv shows and not one is aired yet

3527
02:21:50,150 --> 02:21:47,920
and so hopefully by that time when they

3528
02:21:51,910 --> 02:21:50,160
start to air people will say okay this

3529
02:21:54,070 --> 02:21:51,920
guy is out here and then i can then

3530
02:21:56,550 --> 02:21:54,080
introduce other people who are in the

3531
02:21:58,870 --> 02:21:56,560
industry who wants to

3532
02:22:00,790 --> 02:21:58,880
uh you know become part of the

3533
02:22:03,670 --> 02:22:00,800
collective and it don't have to be a

3534
02:22:06,230 --> 02:22:03,680
black and white thing uh but

3535
02:22:08,309 --> 02:22:06,240
you already doing it you got me here i'm

3536
02:22:10,469 --> 02:22:08,319
here talking to jimmy church you could

3537
02:22:12,150 --> 02:22:10,479
have anybody you wanted today you got

3538
02:22:14,790 --> 02:22:12,160
roderick martin here

3539
02:22:17,750 --> 02:22:14,800
uh and we have a relationship and so it

3540
02:22:19,030 --> 02:22:17,760
started already and you know i don't

3541
02:22:20,870 --> 02:22:19,040
know if you can want to get any one of

3542
02:22:22,550 --> 02:22:20,880
them guitars but pay a note for yourself

3543
02:22:24,630 --> 02:22:22,560
brother you you the more you brought it

3544
02:22:26,870 --> 02:22:24,640
in well

3545
02:22:28,389 --> 02:22:26,880
yes can you play can you really play

3546
02:22:30,389 --> 02:22:28,399
though

3547
02:22:33,270 --> 02:22:30,399
maybe i just called you out

3548
02:22:34,870 --> 02:22:33,280
smoking mirrors roderick smoking mirrors

3549
02:22:37,429 --> 02:22:34,880
is but

3550
02:22:40,230 --> 02:22:37,439
um i

3551
02:22:41,670 --> 02:22:40,240
i don't know

3552
02:22:45,429 --> 02:22:41,680
why

3553
02:22:48,070 --> 02:22:45,439
the issue has become an issue

3554
02:22:50,150 --> 02:22:48,080
right and and and maybe it's because of

3555
02:22:52,389 --> 02:22:50,160
of who i am and where i'm sitting from

3556
02:22:54,630 --> 02:22:52,399
and i don't see

3557
02:22:58,389 --> 02:22:54,640
male female i don't see white black i

3558
02:22:59,429 --> 02:22:58,399
don't i i i i don't see the world that

3559
02:23:02,230 --> 02:22:59,439
way

3560
02:23:04,389 --> 02:23:02,240
um and i i may be unique

3561
02:23:06,790 --> 02:23:04,399
but this is

3562
02:23:08,710 --> 02:23:06,800
uh when i talked to barry littleton

3563
02:23:11,030 --> 02:23:08,720
about this i've talked to billy carson

3564
02:23:12,309 --> 02:23:11,040
um about this too as well

3565
02:23:14,950 --> 02:23:12,319
um

3566
02:23:15,990 --> 02:23:14,960
where they go no you're wrong it is an

3567
02:23:18,230 --> 02:23:16,000
issue

3568
02:23:20,230 --> 02:23:18,240
and and i wish that more from our

3569
02:23:22,790 --> 02:23:20,240
community would be speaking up because

3570
02:23:24,950 --> 02:23:22,800
they're having the same experiences

3571
02:23:26,790 --> 02:23:24,960
that that we all are

3572
02:23:28,309 --> 02:23:26,800
you know so the question is what do we

3573
02:23:30,870 --> 02:23:28,319
do about it

3574
02:23:32,790 --> 02:23:30,880
well i again um

3575
02:23:34,550 --> 02:23:32,800
the true answer is you're not only gonna

3576
02:23:37,110 --> 02:23:34,560
be able to listen

3577
02:23:40,309 --> 02:23:37,120
uh to these things now speaking of uh a

3578
02:23:42,070 --> 02:23:40,319
barry i reached out to him and i if he's

3579
02:23:44,389 --> 02:23:42,080
listening barry i haven't heard back

3580
02:23:46,469 --> 02:23:44,399
from you huh wait a plug

3581
02:23:48,950 --> 02:23:46,479
but the the the whole thing is you know

3582
02:23:52,309 --> 02:23:48,960
of course billy and i talk consistently

3583
02:23:54,150 --> 02:23:52,319
um you know um and

3584
02:23:56,550 --> 02:23:54,160
you know billy

3585
02:23:58,790 --> 02:23:56,560
himself has done a great job of

3586
02:24:01,110 --> 02:23:58,800
integrating himself out there and with

3587
02:24:03,030 --> 02:24:01,120
forbidden knowledge and and what he does

3588
02:24:05,510 --> 02:24:03,040
now when we get down to this

3589
02:24:08,070 --> 02:24:05,520
cool subject of ufos

3590
02:24:10,469 --> 02:24:08,080
it's going to take courage number one uh

3591
02:24:12,230 --> 02:24:10,479
for someone who says i want to get into

3592
02:24:13,910 --> 02:24:12,240
the game i want to get out here and

3593
02:24:16,230 --> 02:24:13,920
don't mind talking about it because

3594
02:24:17,270 --> 02:24:16,240
again you're going to face some ridicule

3595
02:24:19,270 --> 02:24:17,280
i did it

3596
02:24:21,510 --> 02:24:19,280
you know and it was one of the things

3597
02:24:23,830 --> 02:24:21,520
that the reason i didn't do it in the

3598
02:24:26,070 --> 02:24:23,840
past now if you go back shaq shaquille

3599
02:24:28,550 --> 02:24:26,080
o'neal recently had a video several

3600
02:24:30,870 --> 02:24:28,560
months ago where he talked about he saw

3601
02:24:32,870 --> 02:24:30,880
a ufo and he said that he saw this thing

3602
02:24:34,550 --> 02:24:32,880
and flew right in front of him

3603
02:24:36,150 --> 02:24:34,560
and he never talked about it because he

3604
02:24:38,870 --> 02:24:36,160
didn't what his exact words i didn't

3605
02:24:40,070 --> 02:24:38,880
want nobody think i'm crazy now he's 400

3606
02:24:41,910 --> 02:24:40,080
million dollars you can say what you

3607
02:24:46,150 --> 02:24:41,920
want now but back then he wasn't going

3608
02:24:47,110 --> 02:24:46,160
to ruin his career so i think if more

3609
02:24:49,349 --> 02:24:47,120
uh

3610
02:24:50,469 --> 02:24:49,359
black people especially on the celebrity

3611
02:24:52,309 --> 02:24:50,479
side

3612
02:24:53,510 --> 02:24:52,319
come forward that's just like the you

3613
02:24:55,190 --> 02:24:53,520
know i'm not comparing i better name

3614
02:24:57,190 --> 02:24:55,200
said it but just like any other

3615
02:24:59,750 --> 02:24:57,200
movements these days if

3616
02:25:01,830 --> 02:24:59,760
if people come forward and more people

3617
02:25:04,070 --> 02:25:01,840
are comfortable feel like sharing it

3618
02:25:06,790 --> 02:25:04,080
because you got to remember there's a

3619
02:25:08,150 --> 02:25:06,800
lot of things that go down with these

3620
02:25:09,510 --> 02:25:08,160
experiences

3621
02:25:13,590 --> 02:25:09,520
you know when you listen to whitley

3622
02:25:15,510 --> 02:25:13,600
strieber story and what happened to him

3623
02:25:18,070 --> 02:25:15,520
you you ain't getting a lot of people is

3624
02:25:19,910 --> 02:25:18,080
gonna come black saying okay i was raped

3625
02:25:22,070 --> 02:25:19,920
or something right i'm not you know by

3626
02:25:23,910 --> 02:25:22,080
an extraterrestrial that's just not

3627
02:25:25,750 --> 02:25:23,920
going down the pipeline you know what

3628
02:25:27,910 --> 02:25:25,760
i'm saying and so

3629
02:25:30,070 --> 02:25:27,920
you got to get people who get to a point

3630
02:25:31,190 --> 02:25:30,080
where they feel that their story has a

3631
02:25:32,870 --> 02:25:31,200
purpose

3632
02:25:35,910 --> 02:25:32,880
and it's time for people to talk and

3633
02:25:37,990 --> 02:25:35,920
that exactly what my agenda is is to get

3634
02:25:40,790 --> 02:25:38,000
out here and to be able to bridge the

3635
02:25:43,270 --> 02:25:40,800
gap and you say what do we do

3636
02:25:44,950 --> 02:25:43,280
people like yourself is giving

3637
02:25:47,429 --> 02:25:44,960
me some uh

3638
02:25:49,670 --> 02:25:47,439
you know time on your

3639
02:25:51,349 --> 02:25:49,680
show you have a huge audience you're

3640
02:25:53,030 --> 02:25:51,359
trusted because it's gonna go with that

3641
02:25:54,630 --> 02:25:53,040
it's got to start with trust first

3642
02:25:56,630 --> 02:25:54,640
people trust what comes out of jimmy

3643
02:25:59,270 --> 02:25:56,640
church's mouth and when german churchill

3644
02:26:00,790 --> 02:25:59,280
said roderick is a good guy then that

3645
02:26:02,550 --> 02:26:00,800
puts it over and then hopefully the

3646
02:26:04,070 --> 02:26:02,560
people that's listening could have

3647
02:26:05,910 --> 02:26:04,080
friends who may not be comfortable

3648
02:26:08,309 --> 02:26:05,920
talking to jimmy church and say you know

3649
02:26:10,389 --> 02:26:08,319
what there is a guy call him up go to

3650
02:26:12,070 --> 02:26:10,399
widerbigsecret.com fill out that little

3651
02:26:14,710 --> 02:26:12,080
guest thing whatever get that

3652
02:26:17,030 --> 02:26:14,720
information too and we can and then the

3653
02:26:19,030 --> 02:26:17,040
more people i can interview

3654
02:26:21,110 --> 02:26:19,040
put their face on youtube if they're

3655
02:26:23,110 --> 02:26:21,120
happy with that all it will do a

3656
02:26:25,110 --> 02:26:23,120
trickle-down effect that more people

3657
02:26:27,030 --> 02:26:25,120
will say we got to come forward but we

3658
02:26:28,950 --> 02:26:27,040
got to push the agenda so think about

3659
02:26:30,550 --> 02:26:28,960
all the disclosure conferences and

3660
02:26:32,389 --> 02:26:30,560
everything else there's not too many

3661
02:26:33,910 --> 02:26:32,399
people of color there

3662
02:26:35,270 --> 02:26:33,920
you know and hopefully next couple of

3663
02:26:36,389 --> 02:26:35,280
years you know i thought billy's like

3664
02:26:37,910 --> 02:26:36,399
hey man you're going to be with the next

3665
02:26:39,429 --> 02:26:37,920
one and then you all you know you like

3666
02:26:41,349 --> 02:26:39,439
hey man we in we're going to do these

3667
02:26:43,830 --> 02:26:41,359
things and so

3668
02:26:46,150 --> 02:26:43,840
those will get people just like anything

3669
02:26:47,750 --> 02:26:46,160
else we can get out front and know that

3670
02:26:49,110 --> 02:26:47,760
we exist and so

3671
02:26:51,670 --> 02:26:49,120
you know you got a lot of people out

3672
02:26:53,190 --> 02:26:51,680
there that that is black that do know

3673
02:26:55,190 --> 02:26:53,200
this stuff

3674
02:26:57,270 --> 02:26:55,200
uh but maybe

3675
02:26:59,910 --> 02:26:57,280
the marketing efforts of themselves or

3676
02:27:01,349 --> 02:26:59,920
how they want to uh introduce themselves

3677
02:27:03,830 --> 02:27:01,359
to the industry

3678
02:27:06,790 --> 02:27:03,840
is not there but i'm happy to keep a

3679
02:27:09,030 --> 02:27:06,800
door open behind me that is opening

3680
02:27:12,469 --> 02:27:09,040
and make the introductions because i

3681
02:27:14,150 --> 02:27:12,479
think it's not just me opening up a door

3682
02:27:15,830 --> 02:27:14,160
but i think leaving it open for others

3683
02:27:17,190 --> 02:27:15,840
is the best way to do it do you think

3684
02:27:18,950 --> 02:27:17,200
that uh

3685
02:27:23,110 --> 02:27:18,960
now that the media

3686
02:27:25,110 --> 02:27:23,120
is is covering this on all fronts uh

3687
02:27:26,469 --> 02:27:25,120
um it's there and i'm not talking about

3688
02:27:27,750 --> 02:27:26,479
television i'm talking about news

3689
02:27:30,870 --> 02:27:27,760
reporting

3690
02:27:33,349 --> 02:27:30,880
um is is covering the subject that it

3691
02:27:36,710 --> 02:27:33,359
becomes a safer space for the black

3692
02:27:39,110 --> 02:27:36,720
community to to step out as well as

3693
02:27:40,550 --> 02:27:39,120
anybody to speak up about their own

3694
02:27:43,349 --> 02:27:40,560
experiences

3695
02:27:45,349 --> 02:27:43,359
well if you start doing uh audience

3696
02:27:47,910 --> 02:27:45,359
demographics like i have with with

3697
02:27:49,990 --> 02:27:47,920
without the people i work with and

3698
02:27:52,469 --> 02:27:50,000
we start looking at the age group so

3699
02:27:55,670 --> 02:27:52,479
we'll go back to um

3700
02:27:57,110 --> 02:27:55,680
if there are millennials or gen z's we

3701
02:27:59,030 --> 02:27:57,120
won't call them

3702
02:28:01,110 --> 02:27:59,040
they don't trust the media anyway

3703
02:28:03,030 --> 02:28:01,120
they're not so that's not going to be a

3704
02:28:04,870 --> 02:28:03,040
place to introduce ourselves to them

3705
02:28:08,150 --> 02:28:04,880
they're they're it's going to have to be

3706
02:28:11,190 --> 02:28:08,160
on these social media profiles shows or

3707
02:28:12,469 --> 02:28:11,200
places that they go to watch tick-tock

3708
02:28:14,309 --> 02:28:12,479
so i'm getting ready to start doing a

3709
02:28:15,910 --> 02:28:14,319
few tick tocks one thing i did was funny

3710
02:28:17,990 --> 02:28:15,920
last week another one like now i really

3711
02:28:20,150 --> 02:28:18,000
don't want to do a joke about it you got

3712
02:28:22,710 --> 02:28:20,160
to talk fast okay all right aren't you

3713
02:28:25,670 --> 02:28:22,720
aren't you too old for tick-tock

3714
02:28:27,190 --> 02:28:25,680
you know what it's it's uh i've i've

3715
02:28:29,270 --> 02:28:27,200
been thinking about doing it too but i'm

3716
02:28:30,870 --> 02:28:29,280
like you know what i don't want to be

3717
02:28:32,950 --> 02:28:30,880
the one though dude if you get on tick

3718
02:28:35,110 --> 02:28:32,960
tock with a guitar

3719
02:28:37,030 --> 02:28:35,120
and you start rattling off like that

3720
02:28:40,630 --> 02:28:37,040
real kissed old stuff you know or

3721
02:28:42,389 --> 02:28:40,640
enemies from you know like

3722
02:28:44,389 --> 02:28:42,399
you will be on tick tock you'll be a hit

3723
02:28:45,910 --> 02:28:44,399
because they'll be like that dude lately

3724
02:28:47,670 --> 02:28:45,920
where did he come from

3725
02:28:49,590 --> 02:28:47,680
you know i just don't want to be the old

3726
02:28:51,270 --> 02:28:49,600
guy

3727
02:28:53,190 --> 02:28:51,280
in the room i just don't want to be that

3728
02:28:55,110 --> 02:28:53,200
guy tell it to some of them guys to be

3729
02:28:57,030 --> 02:28:55,120
dancing on tick tock that looks all

3730
02:28:58,870 --> 02:28:57,040
foolish but but but what i mean but

3731
02:29:01,830 --> 02:28:58,880
there are some people there

3732
02:29:04,389 --> 02:29:01,840
jimmy that are themselves and you can do

3733
02:29:06,150 --> 02:29:04,399
that so i did do a video and i and i

3734
02:29:07,030 --> 02:29:06,160
made a joke like okay roderick you know

3735
02:29:09,750 --> 02:29:07,040
with this phone ring and i'm an

3736
02:29:11,590 --> 02:29:09,760
investigator and then i did one serious

3737
02:29:14,630 --> 02:29:11,600
and then i looked at the analytics right

3738
02:29:17,030 --> 02:29:14,640
because i was like team dawg i got 5 000

3739
02:29:19,270 --> 02:29:17,040
views i'm i'm i'm owning tick tock it's

3740
02:29:21,590 --> 02:29:19,280
me then i looked at the analytics like

3741
02:29:24,550 --> 02:29:21,600
13 year old except you know fit i'm like

3742
02:29:26,469 --> 02:29:24,560
what the heck they 70 of these people is

3743
02:29:28,950 --> 02:29:26,479
13 years old right

3744
02:29:30,469 --> 02:29:28,960
i'm like nah i can't do it i can't do it

3745
02:29:31,670 --> 02:29:30,479
but then there was a marketing person

3746
02:29:33,590 --> 02:29:31,680
say roderick

3747
02:29:35,270 --> 02:29:33,600
those 13 year old people you know got

3748
02:29:37,110 --> 02:29:35,280
their moms and dads you know credit

3749
02:29:39,510 --> 02:29:37,120
cards and so they can subscribe and

3750
02:29:41,429 --> 02:29:39,520
listen and grow and you can grow them in

3751
02:29:43,030 --> 02:29:41,439
10 years now they they're buying you

3752
02:29:44,790 --> 02:29:43,040
know they're supporting you and they

3753
02:29:46,790 --> 02:29:44,800
like what you do and i'm like

3754
02:29:50,389 --> 02:29:46,800
oh you know scooby-doo again

3755
02:29:52,389 --> 02:29:50,399
okay right right right i was asked a

3756
02:29:55,110 --> 02:29:52,399
couple of months ago to do a series of

3757
02:29:58,550 --> 02:29:55,120
uh tick tock videos i shot 12

3758
02:30:00,550 --> 02:29:58,560
and uh and and sent them off right

3759
02:30:02,710 --> 02:30:00,560
you had fun doing them though

3760
02:30:05,750 --> 02:30:02,720
you know well anyway

3761
02:30:10,790 --> 02:30:09,110
i did not go and follow up with any of

3762
02:30:15,510 --> 02:30:10,800
it i didn't want to see it

3763
02:30:16,870 --> 02:30:15,520
and uh no no no no and so i'm still i'm

3764
02:30:19,110 --> 02:30:16,880
still a mystery

3765
02:30:20,870 --> 02:30:19,120
okay this is radio

3766
02:30:23,030 --> 02:30:20,880
paint the picture i mean did you like

3767
02:30:25,510 --> 02:30:23,040
have your shirt all for i mean you gotta

3768
02:30:28,710 --> 02:30:25,520
paint give us a mental

3769
02:30:31,190 --> 02:30:28,720
theater of what this thing was that you

3770
02:30:33,030 --> 02:30:31,200
shot no nope nope nope not gonna do it

3771
02:30:35,270 --> 02:30:33,040
not gonna do it but i am gonna take a

3772
02:30:38,469 --> 02:30:35,280
break because we're gonna come back i

3773
02:30:40,790 --> 02:30:38,479
want to uh i want to talk about anjali

3774
02:30:42,309 --> 02:30:40,800
so you stay right there this is fade to

3775
02:30:45,349 --> 02:30:42,319
block we're going into overtime with

3776
02:30:47,349 --> 02:30:45,359
roderick martin this is fade to black i

3777
02:30:50,710 --> 02:30:47,359
am your host jimmy church on the annex

3778
02:30:52,230 --> 02:30:50,720
and game changer networks racehobbs

3779
02:30:55,400 --> 02:30:52,240
this is fade to black i'll be right back

3780
02:31:01,540 --> 02:30:55,410
after this short break stay with us

3781
02:31:01,550 --> 02:31:26,469
[Music]

3782
02:31:30,150 --> 02:31:28,550
you're listening to jimmy church and

3783
02:31:35,110 --> 02:31:30,160
fade to black

3784
02:31:39,349 --> 02:31:36,950
hey what up y'all should go biblical fox

3785
02:31:44,630 --> 02:31:39,359
here and you are listening to my boy

3786
02:31:51,200 --> 02:31:47,110
despite popular opinion

3787
02:31:53,700 --> 02:31:51,210
reading a book will not make you smarter

3788
02:31:55,270 --> 02:31:53,710
[Music]

3789
02:31:57,670 --> 02:31:55,280
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3790
02:31:59,750 --> 02:31:57,680
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3796
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3797
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3798
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3816
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welcome back fade to black i'm your host

3884
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jimmy church tonight roderick martin is

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also roderick so you do clubhouse every

3891
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wednesday right

3892
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3893
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weekly with two e's everybody not

3894
02:37:01,510 --> 02:36:58,319
w-e-a-k now um i want to switch gears a

3895
02:37:02,790 --> 02:37:01,520
little bit and and talk about anjali and

3896
02:37:07,270 --> 02:37:02,800
i

3897
02:37:08,389 --> 02:37:07,280
from you

3898
02:37:16,389 --> 02:37:08,399
and

3899
02:37:19,190 --> 02:37:16,399
i'm going to ask you we'll talk more

3900
02:37:22,070 --> 02:37:19,200
about anjali in a second how did you

3901
02:37:25,590 --> 02:37:22,080
find anjali how did that happen

3902
02:37:28,309 --> 02:37:25,600
well i was um on clubhouse of course uh

3903
02:37:30,389 --> 02:37:28,319
doing the clubs there was a gentleman

3904
02:37:31,510 --> 02:37:30,399
named nick i won't leave his last name

3905
02:37:33,590 --> 02:37:31,520
out

3906
02:37:36,309 --> 02:37:33,600
for purposes

3907
02:37:39,030 --> 02:37:36,319
nick was a former

3908
02:37:40,710 --> 02:37:39,040
navy intelligence officer

3909
02:37:42,309 --> 02:37:40,720
but he also was an

3910
02:37:44,950 --> 02:37:42,319
asset to the show so he would be a

3911
02:37:46,870 --> 02:37:44,960
researcher and different things and he

3912
02:37:49,110 --> 02:37:46,880
mentioned he said there's a lady

3913
02:37:50,710 --> 02:37:49,120
that has an incredible story

3914
02:37:52,389 --> 02:37:50,720
um that

3915
02:37:55,030 --> 02:37:52,399
i think she just posted some at that

3916
02:37:57,429 --> 02:37:55,040
time on reddick in one of the groups and

3917
02:37:58,950 --> 02:37:57,439
he had reached out to her to

3918
02:38:02,230 --> 02:37:58,960
uh get with me

3919
02:38:05,429 --> 02:38:02,240
uh to talk about her story

3920
02:38:08,710 --> 02:38:05,439
uh and then ultimately uh anja and i uh

3921
02:38:11,030 --> 02:38:08,720
made contact and and and truly develop a

3922
02:38:12,389 --> 02:38:11,040
uh true friendship

3923
02:38:15,349 --> 02:38:12,399
and

3924
02:38:17,349 --> 02:38:15,359
uh

3925
02:38:20,469 --> 02:38:17,359
okay

3926
02:38:22,550 --> 02:38:20,479
it's a very strange

3927
02:38:23,349 --> 02:38:22,560
yeah well it's a strange situation in

3928
02:38:27,190 --> 02:38:23,359
that

3929
02:38:29,510 --> 02:38:27,200
um after uh i did a you know a little

3930
02:38:31,110 --> 02:38:29,520
research into her and i like i said i

3931
02:38:31,990 --> 02:38:31,120
you know i found out about her through

3932
02:38:34,950 --> 02:38:32,000
you

3933
02:38:37,510 --> 02:38:34,960
and then everything else took off after

3934
02:38:40,790 --> 02:38:37,520
that and so straight away

3935
02:38:42,950 --> 02:38:40,800
um i i had her on fade to black and

3936
02:38:44,550 --> 02:38:42,960
there was a lot of things that were

3937
02:38:46,630 --> 02:38:44,560
happening and a lot of

3938
02:38:48,070 --> 02:38:46,640
chatter going around the ufo community

3939
02:38:48,870 --> 02:38:48,080
about her and then

3940
02:38:50,469 --> 02:38:48,880
uh

3941
02:38:52,790 --> 02:38:50,479
she did her thing at

3942
02:38:56,070 --> 02:38:52,800
in washington dc

3943
02:38:57,110 --> 02:38:56,080
that little uh uh live uh i think it was

3944
02:38:59,590 --> 02:38:57,120
youtube

3945
02:39:01,830 --> 02:38:59,600
so i watched that uh i think a couple of

3946
02:39:04,950 --> 02:39:01,840
days later uh we had her on fade to

3947
02:39:07,590 --> 02:39:04,960
black and i just wanted to hear

3948
02:39:09,670 --> 02:39:07,600
her story from her

3949
02:39:11,429 --> 02:39:09,680
you know from beginning to end and just

3950
02:39:13,750 --> 02:39:11,439
lay it out for

3951
02:39:15,990 --> 02:39:13,760
uh the historical record

3952
02:39:18,230 --> 02:39:16,000
and and get it down because i wanted to

3953
02:39:20,230 --> 02:39:18,240
know more there was so many

3954
02:39:23,030 --> 02:39:20,240
different things that we i just needed

3955
02:39:25,190 --> 02:39:23,040
to hear it from her exactly what went

3956
02:39:26,150 --> 02:39:25,200
down from beginning to end

3957
02:39:28,870 --> 02:39:26,160
um

3958
02:39:29,910 --> 02:39:28,880
and then after that and here's the deal

3959
02:39:33,110 --> 02:39:29,920
roderick

3960
02:39:34,469 --> 02:39:33,120
um i told her on the show

3961
02:39:36,870 --> 02:39:34,479
directly

3962
02:39:39,429 --> 02:39:36,880
that you cannot

3963
02:39:41,349 --> 02:39:39,439
not have this event happen

3964
02:39:44,790 --> 02:39:41,359
you're saying this is going to go down

3965
02:39:47,510 --> 02:39:44,800
in 2021 before the year is out and it's

3966
02:39:48,469 --> 02:39:47,520
absolutely 100 going to happen it has to

3967
02:39:52,710 --> 02:39:48,479
happen

3968
02:39:55,670 --> 02:39:52,720
you don't get another chance at this um

3969
02:39:59,590 --> 02:39:55,680
and and that was always my point

3970
02:40:00,790 --> 02:39:59,600
here we are now um at uh the first week

3971
02:40:02,870 --> 02:40:00,800
of march

3972
02:40:06,230 --> 02:40:02,880
where it appears that everything has

3973
02:40:08,389 --> 02:40:06,240
completely unraveled uh of course the

3974
02:40:11,590 --> 02:40:08,399
big explo

3975
02:40:13,670 --> 02:40:11,600
explosion the big disclosure didn't

3976
02:40:16,389 --> 02:40:13,680
happen in 2021

3977
02:40:18,870 --> 02:40:16,399
uh what's your take on uh

3978
02:40:21,830 --> 02:40:18,880
everything now

3979
02:40:24,550 --> 02:40:21,840
well i think um

3980
02:40:27,269 --> 02:40:24,560
for starters you know i could let me

3981
02:40:29,510 --> 02:40:27,279
bring something from let me bridge the

3982
02:40:32,070 --> 02:40:29,520
gap from then to now

3983
02:40:33,830 --> 02:40:32,080
uh is that fair enough sure and i think

3984
02:40:36,469 --> 02:40:33,840
in fairness for her

3985
02:40:39,510 --> 02:40:36,479
again it'll be great to do this so

3986
02:40:41,269 --> 02:40:39,520
you know andre lee uh when i first

3987
02:40:44,150 --> 02:40:41,279
talked with her on the phone

3988
02:40:46,230 --> 02:40:44,160
um before you know you know i made the

3989
02:40:48,550 --> 02:40:46,240
first appearance on my youtube channel

3990
02:40:50,309 --> 02:40:48,560
live clubhouse with her when we broke

3991
02:40:52,070 --> 02:40:50,319
the initial story

3992
02:40:53,910 --> 02:40:52,080
you know and you know after she posted

3993
02:40:56,550 --> 02:40:53,920
the reddit post a little bit but then we

3994
02:40:58,389 --> 02:40:56,560
end up really and one of the things in

3995
02:41:00,870 --> 02:40:58,399
the beginning

3996
02:41:03,030 --> 02:41:00,880
she was not

3997
02:41:05,750 --> 02:41:03,040
really wanting to

3998
02:41:07,349 --> 02:41:05,760
go public enough to to really people to

3999
02:41:08,870 --> 02:41:07,359
really know

4000
02:41:11,110 --> 02:41:08,880
you know she just wanted to kind of put

4001
02:41:13,830 --> 02:41:11,120
the message out there and we had a long

4002
02:41:15,750 --> 02:41:13,840
thorough conversation for weeks and and

4003
02:41:17,670 --> 02:41:15,760
i'm like you know this community is

4004
02:41:19,030 --> 02:41:17,680
relentlessly these

4005
02:41:20,469 --> 02:41:19,040
this is not

4006
02:41:23,190 --> 02:41:20,479
a place to

4007
02:41:26,150 --> 02:41:23,200
uh and i was not

4008
02:41:28,230 --> 02:41:26,160
uh for her to truly

4009
02:41:29,990 --> 02:41:28,240
really reveal

4010
02:41:32,710 --> 02:41:30,000
a lot of things in in the first and

4011
02:41:35,110 --> 02:41:32,720
foremost because at this point you know

4012
02:41:37,030 --> 02:41:35,120
again you just got this part there's a

4013
02:41:39,269 --> 02:41:37,040
part of the community that is just will

4014
02:41:40,550 --> 02:41:39,279
eat you alive when it comes down because

4015
02:41:41,910 --> 02:41:40,560
it's not the fact that they're not

4016
02:41:45,190 --> 02:41:41,920
believers

4017
02:41:47,190 --> 02:41:45,200
they're thirsty they want

4018
02:41:49,429 --> 02:41:47,200
answers themselves so much that they're

4019
02:41:51,990 --> 02:41:49,439
willing to just wreck over people to get

4020
02:41:54,230 --> 02:41:52,000
it right and so anjali's you know so

4021
02:41:56,469 --> 02:41:54,240
again let me just start here so when we

4022
02:41:58,230 --> 02:41:56,479
first you know ventured down we talked

4023
02:42:00,710 --> 02:41:58,240
about a plan we actually had an action

4024
02:42:02,469 --> 02:42:00,720
plan of how we wanted to bring this out

4025
02:42:05,670 --> 02:42:02,479
you know and then i told her i said well

4026
02:42:07,269 --> 02:42:05,680
you cannot do it uh anonymously because

4027
02:42:08,230 --> 02:42:07,279
then that's just stir up too much

4028
02:42:09,750 --> 02:42:08,240
trouble

4029
02:42:11,110 --> 02:42:09,760
uh and so she thought about it and she

4030
02:42:12,950 --> 02:42:11,120
finally came back and had the courage

4031
02:42:15,190 --> 02:42:12,960
i'm gonna show my face i'm gonna let

4032
02:42:16,870 --> 02:42:15,200
people know i'm gonna do this

4033
02:42:18,710 --> 02:42:16,880
and so that's when we first did the

4034
02:42:21,030 --> 02:42:18,720
first live stream because we did a

4035
02:42:23,750 --> 02:42:21,040
youtube where you heard of talking and

4036
02:42:25,830 --> 02:42:23,760
then we uh you know went and said let's

4037
02:42:27,750 --> 02:42:25,840
go ahead and go live so people can see

4038
02:42:29,910 --> 02:42:27,760
me talking to you

4039
02:42:31,910 --> 02:42:29,920
one of the things jimmy that

4040
02:42:34,150 --> 02:42:31,920
that stands out the most to this whole

4041
02:42:36,150 --> 02:42:34,160
ordeal that i've stayed silent because i

4042
02:42:37,590 --> 02:42:36,160
was supposed to go to the event i was

4043
02:42:39,750 --> 02:42:37,600
supposed to be the point person to put

4044
02:42:41,830 --> 02:42:39,760
it together at the time i just could not

4045
02:42:44,309 --> 02:42:41,840
uh number one financially get the

4046
02:42:46,630 --> 02:42:44,319
flights to go to you know to be down at

4047
02:42:48,309 --> 02:42:46,640
the the press conference uh because she

4048
02:42:49,990 --> 02:42:48,319
asked me she said would you do the honor

4049
02:42:52,150 --> 02:42:50,000
of doing that and i was yeah

4050
02:42:54,550 --> 02:42:52,160
you know hey let's do this thing right

4051
02:42:56,469 --> 02:42:54,560
uh but i just couldn't do it and

4052
02:42:58,790 --> 02:42:56,479
uh so some other people you know took

4053
02:43:00,550 --> 02:42:58,800
into place but one of the biggest things

4054
02:43:02,790 --> 02:43:00,560
that i want to clear out here and i

4055
02:43:04,309 --> 02:43:02,800
think in her defense and and

4056
02:43:05,990 --> 02:43:04,319
just for the facts and everything else

4057
02:43:07,429 --> 02:43:06,000
to kill some of these things i watched

4058
02:43:09,190 --> 02:43:07,439
one of your shows

4059
02:43:10,870 --> 02:43:09,200
jimmy that you had when you interviewed

4060
02:43:13,190 --> 02:43:10,880
her and there was a guy i don't get his

4061
02:43:16,230 --> 02:43:13,200
name but he was grilling

4062
02:43:17,750 --> 02:43:16,240
talking about how he found wayne and he

4063
02:43:19,910 --> 02:43:17,760
found the property i don't know if you

4064
02:43:21,269 --> 02:43:19,920
remember that show right

4065
02:43:25,349 --> 02:43:21,279
and

4066
02:43:26,710 --> 02:43:25,359
was really being adamant prove it show

4067
02:43:29,590 --> 02:43:26,720
me tell me

4068
02:43:30,870 --> 02:43:29,600
and she did everything but

4069
02:43:33,030 --> 02:43:30,880
tell him

4070
02:43:34,950 --> 02:43:33,040
wayne was made up that name wayne was

4071
02:43:36,389 --> 02:43:34,960
made up on my desk that was here the

4072
02:43:38,630 --> 02:43:36,399
story was here

4073
02:43:41,510 --> 02:43:38,640
to create that so that she did not

4074
02:43:43,910 --> 02:43:41,520
release exactly who that person was so

4075
02:43:45,510 --> 02:43:43,920
that people don't do what he did

4076
02:43:47,269 --> 02:43:45,520
say he tracked them down found the

4077
02:43:49,750 --> 02:43:47,279
business and she still uses the name

4078
02:43:52,309 --> 02:43:49,760
fictitiously but those two people were

4079
02:43:54,469 --> 02:43:52,319
not real people in in

4080
02:43:56,870 --> 02:43:54,479
and i had my deaths on she told me who

4081
02:43:58,790 --> 02:43:56,880
they are i got i have all of her you

4082
02:44:01,269 --> 02:43:58,800
know passport pictures i got all her

4083
02:44:03,190 --> 02:44:01,279
military documents and and all of these

4084
02:44:06,070 --> 02:44:03,200
things and i just watched this thing

4085
02:44:08,230 --> 02:44:06,080
evolved now don't get me wrong

4086
02:44:09,670 --> 02:44:08,240
if you make the big promise that was

4087
02:44:11,510 --> 02:44:09,680
made that we're going to do this as

4088
02:44:13,190 --> 02:44:11,520
scourge and i think that was the tipping

4089
02:44:14,790 --> 02:44:13,200
point of all of it

4090
02:44:16,950 --> 02:44:14,800
and and that would be

4091
02:44:19,190 --> 02:44:16,960
some things that i would just

4092
02:44:21,429 --> 02:44:19,200
say that you know

4093
02:44:23,429 --> 02:44:21,439
i wish you know

4094
02:44:25,830 --> 02:44:23,439
and she's already with dealing with you

4095
02:44:27,269 --> 02:44:25,840
know just personal issues of health and

4096
02:44:28,950 --> 02:44:27,279
and i think it was just too much stress

4097
02:44:31,110 --> 02:44:28,960
and and i love her to death and i wish

4098
02:44:32,870 --> 02:44:31,120
she just wouldn't have put that the

4099
02:44:34,309 --> 02:44:32,880
weight of the world on her back like

4100
02:44:36,070 --> 02:44:34,319
that and

4101
02:44:37,670 --> 02:44:36,080
and i wish i could have done more too to

4102
02:44:39,910 --> 02:44:37,680
keep it all for her back because i

4103
02:44:41,510 --> 02:44:39,920
really wanted to but then once you know

4104
02:44:43,590 --> 02:44:41,520
big people like jimmy and all these

4105
02:44:45,990 --> 02:44:43,600
people get to the store i'm i'm out you

4106
02:44:47,670 --> 02:44:46,000
know it's now for the world to hear and

4107
02:44:50,790 --> 02:44:47,680
i'm glad because you guys covered it

4108
02:44:52,630 --> 02:44:50,800
well but at the end of the day um you

4109
02:44:54,950 --> 02:44:52,640
know i think people should know

4110
02:44:57,670 --> 02:44:54,960
that if you get down to that detail that

4111
02:45:00,150 --> 02:44:57,680
detail i think was very huge to see how

4112
02:45:02,389 --> 02:45:00,160
it spawned into i found wayne and i i

4113
02:45:04,469 --> 02:45:02,399
laugh every time how

4114
02:45:07,349 --> 02:45:04,479
how did you find it and if you did you

4115
02:45:09,110 --> 02:45:07,359
are great you know that person so

4116
02:45:10,309 --> 02:45:09,120
yeah uh

4117
02:45:14,309 --> 02:45:10,319
what about

4118
02:45:16,070 --> 02:45:14,319
uh the specifics here um you're a you're

4119
02:45:18,550 --> 02:45:16,080
a mufon investigator you're a field

4120
02:45:19,510 --> 02:45:18,560
investigator this is what you do

4121
02:45:21,750 --> 02:45:19,520
so

4122
02:45:25,030 --> 02:45:21,760
when you look at

4123
02:45:26,469 --> 02:45:25,040
uh the situation with anjali and her

4124
02:45:28,710 --> 02:45:26,479
story

4125
02:45:31,910 --> 02:45:28,720
there are some things here logistically

4126
02:45:33,990 --> 02:45:31,920
that have to match up one that there's a

4127
02:45:36,230 --> 02:45:34,000
tunnel in a mountain in the mojave

4128
02:45:37,349 --> 02:45:36,240
desert where i live

4129
02:45:40,150 --> 02:45:37,359
um

4130
02:45:43,510 --> 02:45:40,160
that goes to an underground e.t

4131
02:45:45,190 --> 02:45:43,520
base house uh

4132
02:45:46,630 --> 02:45:45,200
whatever you want to call it uh they're

4133
02:45:48,630 --> 02:45:46,640
living there

4134
02:45:50,790 --> 02:45:48,640
that has to exist do you believe that

4135
02:45:52,950 --> 02:45:50,800
that tunnel and that base

4136
02:45:54,950 --> 02:45:52,960
exist in a mountain on somebody's

4137
02:45:57,510 --> 02:45:54,960
property well let me give you two

4138
02:45:58,870 --> 02:45:57,520
perspectives here one is

4139
02:46:00,950 --> 02:45:58,880
and it's almost done i actually have a

4140
02:46:03,830 --> 02:46:00,960
book that i was publishing and the title

4141
02:46:05,830 --> 02:46:03,840
of it is i believe you believe and i

4142
02:46:08,070 --> 02:46:05,840
learned this through experience

4143
02:46:09,510 --> 02:46:08,080
uh jimmy through all of the 400

4144
02:46:10,469 --> 02:46:09,520
interviews

4145
02:46:12,950 --> 02:46:10,479
and

4146
02:46:15,510 --> 02:46:12,960
what happens is most people want us to

4147
02:46:17,269 --> 02:46:15,520
or investigators or anyone they turn to

4148
02:46:20,070 --> 02:46:17,279
to tell their story

4149
02:46:22,230 --> 02:46:20,080
to believe and what i've learned is to

4150
02:46:23,590 --> 02:46:22,240
look at a perspective and say i believe

4151
02:46:25,429 --> 02:46:23,600
you believe

4152
02:46:27,510 --> 02:46:25,439
so for example jimmy if you said

4153
02:46:30,309 --> 02:46:27,520
roderick behind that guitar this one

4154
02:46:31,990 --> 02:46:30,319
right here is an alien now can you see

4155
02:46:34,389 --> 02:46:32,000
it roderick can you see it and i'm

4156
02:46:37,670 --> 02:46:34,399
looking as hard as i am right now

4157
02:46:40,469 --> 02:46:37,680
i don't see it but i believe you believe

4158
02:46:42,150 --> 02:46:40,479
and that's enough for me to follow you

4159
02:46:43,349 --> 02:46:42,160
you get what i'm saying i believe you

4160
02:46:45,190 --> 02:46:43,359
believe that there's something back

4161
02:46:46,230 --> 02:46:45,200
there jimmy let's go because i got your

4162
02:46:48,309 --> 02:46:46,240
back

4163
02:46:50,710 --> 02:46:48,319
i don't have to because i'm not gonna

4164
02:46:53,030 --> 02:46:50,720
lie and say okay i believe that there is

4165
02:46:55,030 --> 02:46:53,040
somebody in those caves

4166
02:46:57,670 --> 02:46:55,040
or whatever she said but i'm not saying

4167
02:47:00,070 --> 02:46:57,680
that oh no she's crazy i don't but i

4168
02:47:01,830 --> 02:47:00,080
believe whatever her experience is so

4169
02:47:04,710 --> 02:47:01,840
deep enough since she's passionate about

4170
02:47:06,710 --> 02:47:04,720
it i believe she believed it's there and

4171
02:47:08,550 --> 02:47:06,720
it's enough for me to get her back and

4172
02:47:10,870 --> 02:47:08,560
i'm going to go with you

4173
02:47:13,030 --> 02:47:10,880
and that's how we got to approach this

4174
02:47:15,269 --> 02:47:13,040
today when you look at these stories so

4175
02:47:17,429 --> 02:47:15,279
it's not so much of me standing fast

4176
02:47:20,630 --> 02:47:17,439
because i didn't have her experience i

4177
02:47:23,349 --> 02:47:20,640
cannot validate her experience and we

4178
02:47:25,030 --> 02:47:23,359
can't validate anybody's experience and

4179
02:47:26,790 --> 02:47:25,040
and i've learned that enough enough

4180
02:47:29,670 --> 02:47:26,800
interviews and talking to people where

4181
02:47:31,990 --> 02:47:29,680
i've created that trust barrier where i

4182
02:47:33,830 --> 02:47:32,000
i'm gonna give you the support cause i

4183
02:47:36,230 --> 02:47:33,840
believe you believe so i believe she

4184
02:47:37,990 --> 02:47:36,240
believed that there she had that

4185
02:47:39,429 --> 02:47:38,000
experience they were there she knew

4186
02:47:41,670 --> 02:47:39,439
whether because you got to believe she

4187
02:47:43,910 --> 02:47:41,680
know where it is to go with her right

4188
02:47:46,070 --> 02:47:43,920
and so all of these things

4189
02:47:48,710 --> 02:47:46,080
is where we all went and i think for

4190
02:47:50,710 --> 02:47:48,720
people to get so disappointed in that it

4191
02:47:53,269 --> 02:47:50,720
didn't happen

4192
02:47:55,349 --> 02:47:53,279
it's because there wasn't true believers

4193
02:47:56,309 --> 02:47:55,359
and they just wanted another thing to

4194
02:47:59,910 --> 02:47:56,319
either

4195
02:48:02,230 --> 02:47:59,920
you know justify or i told you so

4196
02:48:05,110 --> 02:48:02,240
instead of saying she has a unique

4197
02:48:07,269 --> 02:48:05,120
experience she's been contacted we know

4198
02:48:08,630 --> 02:48:07,279
it happens we know people are contacted

4199
02:48:10,309 --> 02:48:08,640
all the time

4200
02:48:13,269 --> 02:48:10,319
we got some great people telling their

4201
02:48:14,070 --> 02:48:13,279
stories but i think the pressure i think

4202
02:48:15,830 --> 02:48:14,080
that

4203
02:48:18,389 --> 02:48:15,840
you know because this is the weight of

4204
02:48:20,710 --> 02:48:18,399
the world i knew when she came out and

4205
02:48:22,230 --> 02:48:20,720
said i'm going to go public with this

4206
02:48:23,910 --> 02:48:22,240
i'm going to go to the capitol i'm going

4207
02:48:25,830 --> 02:48:23,920
to do all the you know the place she

4208
02:48:28,389 --> 02:48:25,840
went all of this stuff

4209
02:48:30,150 --> 02:48:28,399
that takes more courage than the world

4210
02:48:32,950 --> 02:48:30,160
because at this point you only have two

4211
02:48:34,550 --> 02:48:32,960
sides that this coin gonna fall on heads

4212
02:48:36,230 --> 02:48:34,560
crazy tail

4213
02:48:37,830 --> 02:48:36,240
not you you're saying

4214
02:48:39,830 --> 02:48:37,840
you can't you can't stop it when it

4215
02:48:42,950 --> 02:48:39,840
stops spinning it's falling on one side

4216
02:48:45,910 --> 02:48:42,960
or the other and i think for some people

4217
02:48:47,349 --> 02:48:45,920
it fell on the middle and then others it

4218
02:48:49,349 --> 02:48:47,359
fell on the other side of the fence and

4219
02:48:51,269 --> 02:48:49,359
but at the end of the day if she calls

4220
02:48:53,830 --> 02:48:51,279
me again and said roderick i have an

4221
02:48:56,309 --> 02:48:53,840
update for you uh they wasn't over here

4222
02:48:58,469 --> 02:48:56,319
i just you know i i just

4223
02:49:01,110 --> 02:48:58,479
gave the wrong coordinates

4224
02:49:02,389 --> 02:49:01,120
we going i'm going because i believe she

4225
02:49:03,670 --> 02:49:02,399
believed it there and i got her back

4226
02:49:05,349 --> 02:49:03,680
let's go

4227
02:49:08,309 --> 02:49:05,359
do you think um

4228
02:49:10,710 --> 02:49:08,319
you know hindsight right okay

4229
02:49:13,349 --> 02:49:10,720
we all know what that is but did she get

4230
02:49:14,070 --> 02:49:13,359
out too far in front of her skis

4231
02:49:18,950 --> 02:49:14,080
and

4232
02:49:20,630 --> 02:49:18,960
without thinking this through

4233
02:49:23,670 --> 02:49:20,640
no i don't think she

4234
02:49:25,030 --> 02:49:23,680
expected the

4235
02:49:27,990 --> 02:49:25,040
when you have a

4236
02:49:29,269 --> 02:49:28,000
experience that she's have that is

4237
02:49:31,190 --> 02:49:29,279
the light

4238
02:49:32,870 --> 02:49:31,200
the consciousness of

4239
02:49:35,670 --> 02:49:32,880
love

4240
02:49:36,469 --> 02:49:35,680
the consciousness of you know freedom

4241
02:49:38,870 --> 02:49:36,479
and

4242
02:49:41,349 --> 02:49:38,880
all the intense

4243
02:49:43,510 --> 02:49:41,359
feelings that comes with that

4244
02:49:46,150 --> 02:49:43,520
she didn't expect the darkness to hit

4245
02:49:48,630 --> 02:49:46,160
the dark side of this story the dark

4246
02:49:50,550 --> 02:49:48,640
side of the people to attack and grow

4247
02:49:51,750 --> 02:49:50,560
stronger than the light

4248
02:49:54,469 --> 02:49:51,760
it should have been enough people in

4249
02:49:57,110 --> 02:49:54,479
that community to support her to keep

4250
02:50:00,230 --> 02:49:57,120
her standing to hold her up

4251
02:50:02,309 --> 02:50:00,240
but all it takes is one believer to be

4252
02:50:03,910 --> 02:50:02,319
given two reasons of negative and they

4253
02:50:05,190 --> 02:50:03,920
turn negative quicker than they would

4254
02:50:07,030 --> 02:50:05,200
keep believing

4255
02:50:09,349 --> 02:50:07,040
so i don't know if she got ahead of the

4256
02:50:12,710 --> 02:50:09,359
skis i just think that

4257
02:50:14,790 --> 02:50:12,720
i would have probably um she got ahead

4258
02:50:16,309 --> 02:50:14,800
of the government in the press in the

4259
02:50:18,870 --> 02:50:16,319
news of

4260
02:50:20,469 --> 02:50:18,880
you know of of them getting the public

4261
02:50:21,510 --> 02:50:20,479
ready for the truth

4262
02:50:24,389 --> 02:50:21,520
of stuff

4263
02:50:26,630 --> 02:50:24,399
you get what i'm saying and so

4264
02:50:28,550 --> 02:50:26,640
you know she still was being you know

4265
02:50:30,070 --> 02:50:28,560
practical in a place that that in

4266
02:50:32,469 --> 02:50:30,080
practicality it just wasn't going to

4267
02:50:34,630 --> 02:50:32,479
work at the time and so i think this

4268
02:50:36,790 --> 02:50:34,640
story comes around again 10 years from

4269
02:50:38,309 --> 02:50:36,800
now 12 years from now it's probably

4270
02:50:41,349 --> 02:50:38,319
accepted a little more with the younger

4271
02:50:42,790 --> 02:50:41,359
generation than it is for

4272
02:50:44,630 --> 02:50:42,800
us who've been through all of this

4273
02:50:46,070 --> 02:50:44,640
turmeric for years and years and never

4274
02:50:49,349 --> 02:50:46,080
had the proof that they've been looking

4275
02:50:50,469 --> 02:50:49,359
for you know well this community and one

4276
02:50:51,670 --> 02:50:50,479
of the

4277
02:50:53,590 --> 02:50:51,680
uh

4278
02:50:54,790 --> 02:50:53,600
one of the cool things about this

4279
02:50:57,190 --> 02:50:54,800
community

4280
02:50:58,790 --> 02:50:57,200
um and it can be a bad thing too but one

4281
02:50:59,910 --> 02:50:58,800
of the cool things about this community

4282
02:51:02,830 --> 02:50:59,920
is

4283
02:51:05,269 --> 02:51:02,840
there are some very very very very smart

4284
02:51:07,110 --> 02:51:05,279
people and so

4285
02:51:09,429 --> 02:51:07,120
yeah and so

4286
02:51:12,389 --> 02:51:09,439
we'll always have

4287
02:51:14,630 --> 02:51:12,399
those that that want to believe and

4288
02:51:16,230 --> 02:51:14,640
they're ready they're open ears and

4289
02:51:18,389 --> 02:51:16,240
they're going to listen

4290
02:51:19,429 --> 02:51:18,399
to what anybody has to say

4291
02:51:21,190 --> 02:51:19,439
and that's another part of this

4292
02:51:21,910 --> 02:51:21,200
community that's great

4293
02:51:23,910 --> 02:51:21,920
but

4294
02:51:25,910 --> 02:51:23,920
there is another part of this community

4295
02:51:27,590 --> 02:51:25,920
if you're gonna post a video you're

4296
02:51:29,830 --> 02:51:27,600
gonna post a picture

4297
02:51:31,590 --> 02:51:29,840
um you have to be ready for that because

4298
02:51:32,469 --> 02:51:31,600
there are a lot of smart people here

4299
02:51:34,389 --> 02:51:32,479
that

4300
02:51:36,950 --> 02:51:34,399
have uh

4301
02:51:39,429 --> 02:51:36,960
a lot of uh experience

4302
02:51:41,030 --> 02:51:39,439
uh with investigating and

4303
02:51:43,510 --> 02:51:41,040
and they will

4304
02:51:46,550 --> 02:51:43,520
uh get to the bottom of it no and i

4305
02:51:47,429 --> 02:51:46,560
agree with you i i think your points

4306
02:51:49,590 --> 02:51:47,439
taken

4307
02:51:51,910 --> 02:51:49,600
and and i and maybe i didn't you know

4308
02:51:55,030 --> 02:51:51,920
give them enough credence to say

4309
02:51:57,190 --> 02:51:55,040
you know yeah you know um i think you

4310
02:52:00,630 --> 02:51:57,200
know the answer the question of

4311
02:52:03,110 --> 02:52:00,640
do i believe her or would i support her

4312
02:52:04,309 --> 02:52:03,120
it's one thing against having the actual

4313
02:52:06,150 --> 02:52:04,319
evidence that these people are going to

4314
02:52:08,309 --> 02:52:06,160
pull up because they're coming they

4315
02:52:10,790 --> 02:52:08,319
gotta and that's what i do for a living

4316
02:52:13,349 --> 02:52:10,800
so right right right yeah and and so

4317
02:52:15,429 --> 02:52:13,359
just so happens i'm on the other side of

4318
02:52:19,429 --> 02:52:15,439
the story now don't get me wrong

4319
02:52:23,110 --> 02:52:19,439
if i were listening from the other side

4320
02:52:25,190 --> 02:52:23,120
and didn't know her personally okay

4321
02:52:27,190 --> 02:52:25,200
then i would probably be looking because

4322
02:52:29,349 --> 02:52:27,200
not knowing her and not knowing the

4323
02:52:30,950 --> 02:52:29,359
story i would be looking from the front

4324
02:52:31,990 --> 02:52:30,960
and being like oh no come on give me

4325
02:52:33,110 --> 02:52:32,000
this give me

4326
02:52:35,429 --> 02:52:33,120
give me some coordinates what are you

4327
02:52:38,309 --> 02:52:35,439
talking about you know you know in that

4328
02:52:40,389 --> 02:52:38,319
is the curiosity that sparks those smart

4329
02:52:42,469 --> 02:52:40,399
intelligent people like ourselves who

4330
02:52:43,830 --> 02:52:42,479
are going to because not only if they're

4331
02:52:46,070 --> 02:52:43,840
talking to our audience they got to get

4332
02:52:48,309 --> 02:52:46,080
the facts you got to get the facts right

4333
02:52:50,550 --> 02:52:48,319
and that's your job you got to educate

4334
02:52:51,990 --> 02:52:50,560
your audience with the facts and so

4335
02:52:54,469 --> 02:52:52,000
um

4336
02:52:56,870 --> 02:52:54,479
now some of the things didn't add up so

4337
02:52:58,070 --> 02:52:56,880
now that changes the trajectory of the

4338
02:53:01,030 --> 02:52:58,080
story

4339
02:53:02,630 --> 02:53:01,040
uh and that is where you snake you know

4340
02:53:04,710 --> 02:53:02,640
the skis you know

4341
02:53:06,150 --> 02:53:04,720
getting out front or or whatever and i

4342
02:53:08,710 --> 02:53:06,160
think that uh

4343
02:53:11,030 --> 02:53:08,720
you know had the pressure didn't bend it

4344
02:53:13,269 --> 02:53:11,040
it would i i probably would have just

4345
02:53:14,469 --> 02:53:13,279
took it quietly as possible did an

4346
02:53:17,750 --> 02:53:14,479
excursion

4347
02:53:19,429 --> 02:53:17,760
uh and came back with the evidence of

4348
02:53:21,510 --> 02:53:19,439
this is where we went this is what

4349
02:53:23,030 --> 02:53:21,520
happened as opposed to making an

4350
02:53:24,710 --> 02:53:23,040
announcement of it

4351
02:53:26,469 --> 02:53:24,720
you know and said okay we're going to

4352
02:53:29,269 --> 02:53:26,479
put a team of people together and we're

4353
02:53:31,750 --> 02:53:29,279
going to do this this and that um

4354
02:53:34,389 --> 02:53:31,760
you know but i think that was just her

4355
02:53:36,469 --> 02:53:34,399
answering to the mob i would say so to

4356
02:53:39,670 --> 02:53:36,479
speak but i think at the end of the day

4357
02:53:41,990 --> 02:53:39,680
yes everybody who did they fact checking

4358
02:53:43,750 --> 02:53:42,000
and the facts didn't add up they're not

4359
02:53:46,870 --> 02:53:43,760
wrong they're not wrong some things did

4360
02:53:47,670 --> 02:53:46,880
not add up and at the end of the day uh

4361
02:53:51,590 --> 02:53:47,680
it

4362
02:53:54,550 --> 02:53:51,600
you know

4363
02:53:56,950 --> 02:53:54,560
show the proof right and and that's it

4364
02:53:59,349 --> 02:53:56,960
now what about what about wayne

4365
02:54:02,070 --> 02:53:59,359
and uh what was uh you know that's his

4366
02:54:05,190 --> 02:54:02,080
uh not his real name but what was it

4367
02:54:07,510 --> 02:54:05,200
what was his wife's name uh tracy tricia

4368
02:54:09,030 --> 02:54:07,520
tricia okay so

4369
02:54:10,550 --> 02:54:09,040
uh they're not their real names but

4370
02:54:11,750 --> 02:54:10,560
let's just talk about wayne and tristan

4371
02:54:14,950 --> 02:54:11,760
for a second

4372
02:54:17,910 --> 02:54:14,960
why haven't uh did you did you meet them

4373
02:54:21,030 --> 02:54:17,920
did you uh speak with them

4374
02:54:23,670 --> 02:54:21,040
i did not speak with them uh

4375
02:54:25,349 --> 02:54:23,680
you know over the phone or anything but

4376
02:54:27,910 --> 02:54:25,359
you know when men and her first talked

4377
02:54:31,190 --> 02:54:27,920
and and we went through it

4378
02:54:34,150 --> 02:54:31,200
she did tell who they were so to speak

4379
02:54:37,429 --> 02:54:34,160
right and not even so to speak but but

4380
02:54:39,349 --> 02:54:37,439
we knew that when she said out loud who

4381
02:54:41,830 --> 02:54:39,359
the name was going to be that they were

4382
02:54:44,469 --> 02:54:41,840
fictitious names to be used so the

4383
02:54:48,630 --> 02:54:44,479
characters of wayne and tricia did exist

4384
02:54:50,950 --> 02:54:48,640
in the true story uh in in in everything

4385
02:54:52,070 --> 02:54:50,960
uh but i think again like i said is that

4386
02:54:53,429 --> 02:54:52,080
um

4387
02:54:54,150 --> 02:54:53,439
you know

4388
02:54:57,670 --> 02:54:54,160
it

4389
02:54:59,110 --> 02:54:57,680
found them that's the only part that i

4390
02:55:00,469 --> 02:54:59,120
did not because

4391
02:55:02,710 --> 02:55:00,479
either they found them and they could

4392
02:55:04,469 --> 02:55:02,720
have said okay here's the real name is

4393
02:55:07,429 --> 02:55:04,479
this such and such

4394
02:55:09,750 --> 02:55:07,439
or not but i found wayne and then stick

4395
02:55:11,429 --> 02:55:09,760
with that is okay well you don't you

4396
02:55:13,670 --> 02:55:11,439
don't find wayne and you have to use

4397
02:55:15,590 --> 02:55:13,680
that name you found jimmy church so say

4398
02:55:17,349 --> 02:55:15,600
you found jimmy church the real wayne

4399
02:55:19,030 --> 02:55:17,359
right but if you're gonna say you found

4400
02:55:22,230 --> 02:55:19,040
wayne and you want to now keep it your

4401
02:55:24,710 --> 02:55:22,240
secret the same secret you say she has

4402
02:55:27,349 --> 02:55:24,720
okay now we gotta look at all of this so

4403
02:55:30,309 --> 02:55:27,359
that was where i had a lying from

4404
02:55:31,750 --> 02:55:30,319
and uh did you ask to speak to wayne and

4405
02:55:34,710 --> 02:55:31,760
tricia

4406
02:55:37,190 --> 02:55:34,720
at the time um when i first spoke with

4407
02:55:39,750 --> 02:55:37,200
her when we first initiated this

4408
02:55:42,630 --> 02:55:39,760
it was enough stress as it is

4409
02:55:45,750 --> 02:55:42,640
as it was at that time as she told the

4410
02:55:47,750 --> 02:55:45,760
story and began the process of seeing

4411
02:55:49,670 --> 02:55:47,760
because she had no agenda at first to

4412
02:55:51,590 --> 02:55:49,680
even come out to the public

4413
02:55:53,030 --> 02:55:51,600
she was just going to again

4414
02:55:55,190 --> 02:55:53,040
do some anonymous posts because when you

4415
02:55:57,190 --> 02:55:55,200
go on facebook i mean on facebook with

4416
02:55:59,750 --> 02:55:57,200
clubhouse no one can see who you are in

4417
02:56:02,550 --> 02:55:59,760
your profile so she was able to use the

4418
02:56:04,309 --> 02:56:02,560
anjali name that's not her real name so

4419
02:56:06,630 --> 02:56:04,319
no one would have known and backtracked

4420
02:56:09,269 --> 02:56:06,640
that so that was easy to do until we

4421
02:56:11,750 --> 02:56:09,279
came out on live on youtube

4422
02:56:15,269 --> 02:56:11,760
um you know and so you know those

4423
02:56:18,710 --> 02:56:15,279
interviews are there but i think that uh

4424
02:56:21,110 --> 02:56:18,720
i never did asked to speak with them

4425
02:56:23,830 --> 02:56:21,120
because i was more concerned with like

4426
02:56:25,190 --> 02:56:23,840
we do in mufon the witness how credible

4427
02:56:27,590 --> 02:56:25,200
is the witness

4428
02:56:29,110 --> 02:56:27,600
and so that's when i started asking for

4429
02:56:30,710 --> 02:56:29,120
more of her defense

4430
02:56:33,510 --> 02:56:30,720
uh you know her background in the

4431
02:56:35,830 --> 02:56:33,520
military was she actually in the

4432
02:56:38,389 --> 02:56:35,840
government so she actually gave letters

4433
02:56:40,630 --> 02:56:38,399
i have letters and stuff from when she

4434
02:56:43,030 --> 02:56:40,640
served as you know intelligence officer

4435
02:56:44,710 --> 02:56:43,040
there and who she worked with and

4436
02:56:46,630 --> 02:56:44,720
you know so i went through all of that

4437
02:56:47,510 --> 02:56:46,640
and when that checked out

4438
02:56:49,349 --> 02:56:47,520
um

4439
02:56:51,110 --> 02:56:49,359
then that was enough for me to say okay

4440
02:56:53,110 --> 02:56:51,120
here's somebody who has a background a

4441
02:56:55,750 --> 02:56:53,120
military background in our government

4442
02:56:58,550 --> 02:56:55,760
who's close to some sources that's about

4443
02:57:00,389 --> 02:56:58,560
to break rank and say some things that

4444
02:57:03,030 --> 02:57:00,399
this is not going to be good this is not

4445
02:57:05,429 --> 02:57:03,040
going to it never has in the history of

4446
02:57:07,750 --> 02:57:05,439
ufology where somebody whistleblowed or

4447
02:57:10,150 --> 02:57:07,760
said anything the odds was against her

4448
02:57:12,389 --> 02:57:10,160
from day one this is not

4449
02:57:15,670 --> 02:57:12,399
so i was just more concerned with her

4450
02:57:18,550 --> 02:57:15,680
well-being and who she was as opposed to

4451
02:57:21,190 --> 02:57:18,560
the more details of knowing already that

4452
02:57:22,550 --> 02:57:21,200
wayne and alice was fictitious and

4453
02:57:23,910 --> 02:57:22,560
since we were just developing a

4454
02:57:25,990 --> 02:57:23,920
relationship i wasn't going to push the

4455
02:57:27,429 --> 02:57:26,000
envelope and say okay tell me where they

4456
02:57:30,870 --> 02:57:27,439
are too

4457
02:57:34,230 --> 02:57:30,880
uh but as we develop a relationship

4458
02:57:37,110 --> 02:57:34,240
uh i you know went on a journey

4459
02:57:39,269 --> 02:57:37,120
well um great conversation tonight by

4460
02:57:40,790 --> 02:57:39,279
the way and i can't

4461
02:57:42,230 --> 02:57:40,800
i can't wait to have you back on the

4462
02:57:44,150 --> 02:57:42,240
show and if you ever want me over a

4463
02:57:45,990 --> 02:57:44,160
clubhouse i would love to go over and

4464
02:57:47,190 --> 02:57:46,000
hang out there for a minute but yeah

4465
02:57:51,269 --> 02:57:47,200
yeah but

4466
02:57:54,710 --> 02:57:51,279
when it comes to anjali um if i would uh

4467
02:57:55,830 --> 02:57:54,720
give anybody advice right now

4468
02:57:58,469 --> 02:57:55,840
is uh

4469
02:57:59,670 --> 02:57:58,479
i would just stay low and i would get

4470
02:58:01,349 --> 02:57:59,680
this done

4471
02:58:03,429 --> 02:58:01,359
on your own

4472
02:58:05,510 --> 02:58:03,439
and and then come out afterwards but

4473
02:58:07,510 --> 02:58:05,520
don't don't say that it is going to

4474
02:58:09,750 --> 02:58:07,520
happen no just just go and do it and

4475
02:58:12,309 --> 02:58:09,760
then come out and say this is this is it

4476
02:58:14,550 --> 02:58:12,319
yep this is what happened and

4477
02:58:16,309 --> 02:58:14,560
and let the chips fall

4478
02:58:18,630 --> 02:58:16,319
you know that's that's that's the best

4479
02:58:20,630 --> 02:58:18,640
advice i because you can't

4480
02:58:23,670 --> 02:58:20,640
you can't go and build up momentum and

4481
02:58:25,269 --> 02:58:23,680
and get people excited about this again

4482
02:58:27,750 --> 02:58:25,279
and and turn around and break a bunch of

4483
02:58:29,190 --> 02:58:27,760
hearts like happened this last time

4484
02:58:31,990 --> 02:58:29,200
that's not going to fly in the ufo

4485
02:58:34,710 --> 02:58:32,000
community no and and that's why you

4486
02:58:37,110 --> 02:58:34,720
heard me said where i would i prefer

4487
02:58:38,950 --> 02:58:37,120
that yeah you go get this

4488
02:58:41,030 --> 02:58:38,960
then you come out and say here it is you

4489
02:58:41,990 --> 02:58:41,040
know because like you said there was a

4490
02:58:45,429 --> 02:58:42,000
lot of

4491
02:58:47,590 --> 02:58:45,439
uh anjali awakened

4492
02:58:49,110 --> 02:58:47,600
a segment of the community

4493
02:58:50,710 --> 02:58:49,120
that didn't have

4494
02:58:51,830 --> 02:58:50,720
much

4495
02:58:54,309 --> 02:58:51,840
to be

4496
02:58:55,110 --> 02:58:54,319
much validation as to what i'm looking

4497
02:58:57,110 --> 02:58:55,120
for

4498
02:58:59,190 --> 02:58:57,120
and she was getting ready to validate a

4499
02:59:01,030 --> 02:58:59,200
lot of people who

4500
02:59:04,070 --> 02:59:01,040
probably in relationships was told that

4501
02:59:06,389 --> 02:59:04,080
they would nuts people that you know

4502
02:59:08,389 --> 02:59:06,399
feared at night fear telling their love

4503
02:59:10,070 --> 02:59:08,399
you know this was this was probably

4504
02:59:11,910 --> 02:59:10,080
going to be bigger than the government

4505
02:59:14,230 --> 02:59:11,920
saying in 180 days we're going to

4506
02:59:16,150 --> 02:59:14,240
release a report right this is this was

4507
02:59:19,030 --> 02:59:16,160
going to be the big one yeah no doubt

4508
02:59:22,309 --> 02:59:19,040
yeah and and so therefore the weight of

4509
02:59:23,910 --> 02:59:22,319
that was so huge so big

4510
02:59:25,349 --> 02:59:23,920
uh that

4511
02:59:28,710 --> 02:59:25,359
uh it it

4512
02:59:30,710 --> 02:59:28,720
it turned from what i think she wanted

4513
02:59:32,710 --> 02:59:30,720
it to be a more of a

4514
02:59:35,110 --> 02:59:32,720
a community effort we're gonna do this

4515
02:59:37,030 --> 02:59:35,120
thing uh in in course you know the

4516
02:59:38,070 --> 02:59:37,040
beings are behind it and

4517
02:59:40,710 --> 02:59:38,080
to

4518
02:59:43,429 --> 02:59:40,720
where the the bigger push so i i think

4519
02:59:45,110 --> 02:59:43,439
that and this is for all of us listening

4520
02:59:48,309 --> 02:59:45,120
in the community who supports your show

4521
02:59:49,510 --> 02:59:48,319
who support the u5 the next time or

4522
02:59:51,190 --> 02:59:49,520
anytime

4523
02:59:53,349 --> 02:59:51,200
we get to a point now i'm not saying

4524
02:59:55,110 --> 02:59:53,359
we're going to go out on the plank and

4525
02:59:57,269 --> 02:59:55,120
just jump the water and just follow

4526
02:59:59,349 --> 02:59:57,279
anybody into the sea but at the end of

4527
03:00:01,429 --> 02:59:59,359
the day you we got to stand stronger as

4528
03:00:03,830 --> 03:00:01,439
a community right

4529
03:00:05,030 --> 03:00:03,840
uh and we got to understand that you

4530
03:00:06,950 --> 03:00:05,040
know

4531
03:00:09,110 --> 03:00:06,960
that there's a lot of people got a lot

4532
03:00:10,870 --> 03:00:09,120
of experiences that we cannot connect

4533
03:00:12,870 --> 03:00:10,880
with we won't believe

4534
03:00:14,870 --> 03:00:12,880
but if we all just take the time to say

4535
03:00:17,750 --> 03:00:14,880
okay we're just going to go on a journey

4536
03:00:20,150 --> 03:00:17,760
to find out we can do it uh not make a

4537
03:00:21,910 --> 03:00:20,160
spectacle out of it though right we

4538
03:00:24,790 --> 03:00:21,920
can't we can't do that

4539
03:00:26,950 --> 03:00:24,800
but at the end of time um you know take

4540
03:00:28,389 --> 03:00:26,960
a few people with you get the evidence

4541
03:00:29,830 --> 03:00:28,399
bring it back and then there's no

4542
03:00:31,910 --> 03:00:29,840
conversation because

4543
03:00:33,590 --> 03:00:31,920
you know documentation beats

4544
03:00:36,150 --> 03:00:33,600
conversation in the day of the week

4545
03:00:38,950 --> 03:00:36,160
thank you so much roderick what a great

4546
03:00:40,950 --> 03:00:38,960
show tonight and roderick's website why

4547
03:00:42,790 --> 03:00:40,960
the bigsecret.com

4548
03:00:44,950 --> 03:00:42,800
you can go and check that out and

4549
03:00:47,830 --> 03:00:44,960
everything that he is doing and working

4550
03:00:50,550 --> 03:00:47,840
on is over at why the big secret and

4551
03:00:52,710 --> 03:00:50,560
also his youtube channel which is why

4552
03:00:55,750 --> 03:00:52,720
the big secret and the links for both

4553
03:00:57,590 --> 03:00:55,760
over at jimmychurchradio.com roderick be

4554
03:00:59,830 --> 03:00:57,600
safe out there and when you break your

4555
03:01:02,550 --> 03:00:59,840
next story you do it here

4556
03:01:03,830 --> 03:01:02,560
we got it we got it appreciate it man

4557
03:01:06,710 --> 03:01:03,840
appreciate you having here and once

4558
03:01:09,349 --> 03:01:06,720
again you listen to roderick martin on

4559
03:01:11,670 --> 03:01:09,359
jimmy church fade to black that's what

4560
03:01:13,349 --> 03:01:11,680
i'm talking about roderick be safe out

4561
03:01:14,550 --> 03:01:13,359
there my man thank you so much all right

4562
03:01:17,110 --> 03:01:14,560
thank you

4563
03:01:18,950 --> 03:01:17,120
roderick martin and uh what a great

4564
03:01:23,990 --> 03:01:18,960
conversation tonight thank you so much

4565
03:01:26,150 --> 03:01:24,000
and and uh tomorrow night right here

4566
03:01:27,990 --> 03:01:26,160
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4567
03:01:30,150 --> 03:01:28,000
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4568
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4569
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4570
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4580
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4581
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